ISRAEL LAUNCHES ‘MAJOR STRIKE’ ON IRAN’S NUCLEAR, MILITARY SITES

All those morons who voted for trump hope you enjoy being even more broke for the next decade and your sons going to war to die so rich cunts can get richer
- As if this only started under Trump...
  
  Him pouring gasoline on the fire sure as shit didn't help.
- This is one of those cases where both sides really are the same.
- good thing I stoped giving a shit if their kids die.
  
  Guess I'm dead. Good riddance.
- Don't blame it just on trump voters, any cents you ever paid to the government also went into this.
- Iran is a paper tiger. A war of that scale can only be fought if the other side has the capabilities to fight back, Iran does not.
  
  Yeah, I am a bit shocked at Iran's level of incompetence. Lol, I remember when Kamala confidently proclaimed that "Iran is America's biggest adversary."
  
  So much of a paper tiger that thry need support for all the west
- You thinking that are just two type of voters is disgusting, blame the system that allows for just two parties not the people.
  
  Whataboutism is the tool of the enemy.

When people point out the west is far from being the "good guys" shit like this is what they have in mind. USA and Europe supported israel and armed it to teeth making possible for the fascist israel government to conduct such attacks. If you don't accept that our governments are as much rigged and evil as russia or china these useless war will never cease.
- Why would you think people in the west would be upset about this?
  If anything, the west has armed the shit out of Israel so they can do exactly this. Iran is a major Russian ally/puppet and an Islamic theocracy having nukes would be a very bad thing indeed. That's not to say Israel hasn't lied about why they've done this, because the footage of burning buildings in the middle of cities speak for themselves. They don't look like no "nuclear research facilities" I've ever seen, so we're clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
  Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map. Sure, those attacks hurt Israel, but they hurt Palestinians a whole lot more. Iran was just hoping that the resulting genocide stopped the west funding them.
  If people in the west want this to stop (and lets be honest, any voting choices are pointless because all our major parties support war in the middle east), then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
  
  so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).
  To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.
  Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map.
  And so does israel government. They are aware that attacking iran may result in a war where thousand civilians may die but they don't give a shit about it.
  then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.
  The area house some of the oldest cultures in the world, read its history. We should indeed stop using oil and gas and that's something "extremists" have preach for decades warning us against global warming and conflicts.
  
  What do you want Iran to do when they get imposed heavy sanctions from everywhere they have no option but to rely on Russian again. Iran could have been a normal country with good relation will all country but the west interfered and organized a coup to back up a dictator.
  Iran autocracy is an internal affair no foreign countries government has to interfere. We can just as people protest the theocracy but not supporting killing Iranians under the pretext of democracy like we did in Iran.
  If you really cared about democracy you would have also pretested american support for Saudi arabia

Welp, we had a good run. See ya in the trenches. Or whatever.
- I don't know what trench I'll end up in if I get drafted. Greenland? Canada? Panama? Iran?
  
  L.A.
  
  I hope Iran. I think they've got the best food of the options on offer. Plus, no cold winters!
- I've never been happier to be 37.
  Draft age changes throughout history, but the latest I found was 45 during WWI, and 37 during WWII. https://www.the-sun.com/news/4762385/maximum-age-for-us-military-draft/
  If you're young, left-leaning and able-bodied, leave the fucking United States. If you can't, then waste as much of our Military's time and money as possible while deployed. You'll be among friends who all don't want to be there either.
  
  American tax-payers fund the US military and similar.
- If I have to bludgeon you to death for the last tin of beans in a radioactive wasteland, its nothing personal.
- Fuck Israel and all, but Iran is far too weak to retaliate in a meaningful way and start ww3
- Irans government will implode, nobody will need to be deployed there.
  
  Yeah, cause governments tend to implode when the countries arch enemy attacks them...
  Hamas hasn't even imploded, and the people have way more reason to blame them for their current situation than the Iranians can blame their government for pursuing a nuclear program that most of the country agreed with.
  No matter how unpopular a government is there, they're still going to be more popular than Israel, and people will rally around any flag to fight their flagrant aggression.

Fuck Israel and their bs
- Fuck sexist and homophobic theocracy.
  
  Which one? They're all like that.
  
  I wonder why Iran has a theocracy instead of a democracy. They used to have a democracy, what happened to it?
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
  
  I agree, fuck Israel!
  
  Fuck pinkwashing apartheid.
  
  Why the united snake don't bomb saudis then?

Iran has the right to defend itself.

Wake up babe, hot new axis of terror just dropped.
- It's an old one. The US has been aligned wirh Israel for decades.
- posting on lemmy from 1948.. wow

Iran has the right to defend itself.
- The exact copy paste comment is weird
  
  yeah. It was when genocide apologists were saying it about netanyahu's genocidal apartheid regime, too. So get used to it.
  Iran has the right to defend itself.

- World War 6?

- I know they've tried but does Iran really have any viable nuclear capability? Or is it just like Iraq where the hydro-electric aluminium tubes are justification?
  
  They have the capability but they're not there yet. They're trying to get there, but every time they make progress Israel bombs them back to square. It's been an effective strategy to stall Iran's ability to get nukes.
  
  Existing is justification. Anything to keep the illiterate masses cowed.
  
  From what I've heard, their strategy has been to stall at being 6 months away from a bomb. They could've finished their program a while ago if they wanted to, North Korea did it with far less resources. They don't do it because:
  It puts them in the dangerous MAD nuclear game theory with Israel
  It would make them into a pariah state like North Korea and close off any possibility of sanctions relief.
  They still want to be somewhat ready though for situations like this where full scale war with Israel is inevitable so if they can survive the war for 6 months they can do a test, establish nuclear sovereignty and get Israel to back off.

Iran has the right to defend itself.

The Zionist regime will kill us all
- No worries, only isolated or poorer countries get attacked. They won’t attack countries they sign deals with, and countries that can actually respond

COULD YOU PLEASE STOP SHOUTING I HEAR YOU VERY WELL WITHOUT THAT, THANK YOU.

Inshallah, Trump abandons Israel to deal with Iran by themselves because he doesn't want to be blamed for WWIII.
- that's almost certainly how he plays it for at least a day. but who knows when that message will flip and then flop back. and who knows when any messages will line up with any actions.
  and besides all that, regardless of what americans say or do, what will the iranians do to the Americans?
- You think he has that forethought? Or thought at all?
- Trump abandon Israel because he’s a coward who only barks behind the fence.
- There won't be a WWIII because Iran can't do anything to Israel

Followed predictably by Iran directly attacking Tel Aviv.
- no f ing shit

As shitty as this is, I think Iran is a paper tiger. Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now. I don’t think they’re going to be able to successfully counterattack in any meaningful way.
- Right, so more genocide?
  
  Iran is one of the biggest instigators of genocide in the Middle East. Their proxy terrorist groups have been systematically wiping out religious minorities for decades now.
- How does the attacked country being a "paper tiger" influence your judgement of whether it's shitty or not to attack it? Is it less shitty to attack a country because it's perceived as being weaker? Is it only shitty when the attacked country is able to defend itself? Why? That would make the Israeli genocide on Palestinians "less shitty" too, since you know, "Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now."
  It's an interesting moral compass you've got there.
  
  I read his post as "as shitty as this is, it's not likely to break out into a full scale war we'll get pulled into". It's not about it being morally okay, or at least I didn't take it that way.
  
  Punching down is generally frowned upon.
  
  How does the attacked country being a “paper tiger” influence your judgement of whether it’s shitty or not to attack it?
  It's the "I'm the center of the world and this does not look like it's going to affect ME so everything is alright" point of view
- They literally proved they had munitions that could defeat Israel's air defenses just a few months ago.
- Israel is the snot-nosed brat who runs and screams to the US while causing problems for everyone. If the US stopped propping up that sequel to nazi germany, we'd see who's the real paper tiger.
- They are attacking Israel all the time, who do you think is funding Hamas?
  
  who do you think is funding Hamas?
  Isreal
  
  Let's talk about who do you think is RECRUITING for Hamas first.

“Military sites”
They’re residential buildings.
- They'll be hitting hospitals next with the same pretext.
- We've already gone over this
  https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86caaa7e-5328-4dc1-adda-a75f42ed8514.jpeg

Uncritical support of Iran please kick in the face of Israel and USA

I'd be OK with attacking "nuclear, military sites", but from the videos it looks like a load of apartments buildings bombed.
- Uh, apartments are small and house parents with their children... aka a nuclear family. So, checkmate, library.
  /s (jesus christ it's depressing that's necessary)
- You're ok with wars of aggression?
  
  Well it's been going on for about 40 years so far... Military targets are valid targets (and certainly better than carpet bombing civilians, which Israel also do a lot of), and to be clear, Iran are not interested in nuclear for it's clean energy potential.
  Nobody wants nuclear proliferation but a religious fundamentalist state (and the US and Pakistan and even North Korea, for all their insanity, at least stop short of that) having them would be Bad Times.

Man Iran is such a destabilizing force in the region.
- I think you dropped this /s
  
  So, I appreciate this is the internet, and text does a piss poor job of communicating inflection and sarcasm, but surely there's a limit to the necessity of the /s? This year already we've had to rely on the restraint of Iran to maintain a semblance of peace five or so times in the face of direct Israeli aggression. How could anyone take what I said at face value?