1y ago

Family of Utah man shot dead by FBI after threats to Biden say he was ‘frustrated’

www.independent.co.uk Family of Utah man shot dead by FBI after threats to Biden say he was ‘frustrated’

‘He was understandably frustrated and distraught by the present and on-going erosions to our constitutionally protected freedoms and the rights of free citizens’

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There are a lot of people who would like you to think that disinformation is harmless; that if you buy into bullshit that it's your own fault; and that the 'people that matter' know the truth.
This man bought into the fire hose of shit that is continuously, endlessly spewing a mixture of exaggerations, half truths and outright lies. He took it all very seriously, and he paid with his life.
Ask yourself, do you think this man was one of the 'people who matter' to his family? It sounds like some of them agree with, and listened to him and the fire hose.
This is a fucking tragedy. This man is a casualty of the fight for democracy, and it is a damn fight when people are getting shot for it. Not because he bought into some bullshit; but because he was fed a line of shit by people he trusted. His political party.
This has got to stop, and I think that it surely will.
Let's hope it doesn't have to be at the expense of another man's life.
Another husband, father, grandfather, uncle or brother. Or worse, whole families.
- @sparseMatrix
  Choosing whom to trust (& listen to) is a moral choice, much more so than a political or philosophical choice.
  Fam saying “he would never” are lying or naïve. He pointed a gun @ FBI agents. He would never?! Oh yes he fucking would, because he fucking did.
  Rule # 1: Never point a weapon @ anything you don’t intend to destroy.
  Repeated regularly by 2A folks.
  He chose amoral violence, tragically. A greater tragedy will be if his fam&friends consider him a martyr.
  
  @kelvin0mql
  I do not question any of that. My point is, the republican party has been stirring this pot a long time, and as long as the money keeps pouring, they cant be arsed, as the brits say.
  It's got to be stopped at the source. We're already at the point that guys are like this everywhere. One stands in the foyer of the Kroger just about every afternoon 3 blocks from my house.
  Wearing a ball cap with a thin blue line flag, armed to the teeth, in a flag-wrapped t-shirt, glaring at anyone who walks by with a smile their face.
  His body language, the sidearm he's wearing, his clothes - it all screams that if you're aren't mad as hell and not going to take it anymore, you must be a fuckin' democrat.
  That is a feature of the republican party. If it isn't addressed soon, some sort of war will be the only way it gets addressed.
  
  He pointed a gun @ FBI agents.
  I support the action taken by the FBI here, and I certainly support their use of deadly force on someone who pointed a gun at them. But having lived through the past several years, I'd really like to see a bodycam video which shows this.
  Not interested in seeing the man get shot, just want to see a video of him pointing a gun at them. I also acknowledge that I think the FBI seems to have a better record of not lying about their use of force than random police do.
  But, I'm still going with (believably) alleged to have pointed a gun at them for now.
  
  @sparseMatrix
  Other than that bit, I agree with you.
  Not that I’m a believer anymore, but the disinformation bit reminds me of the millstone mentioned in Mark 9:42
- This is much more mature, empathetic, and thoughtful than my initial response. Thank you.

“Though his statements were intemperate at times, he has never, and would never, commit any act of violence against another human being over a political or philosophical disagreement,” the statement read.
Cognitive dissonance. He literally committed an act of violence against another human by shooting at FBI agents. Their whole damn family is fucking stupid and I'm glad the piece of shit is dead.
- @nuke
  This is exactly how they want you to feel, because it will sensitize you to the violence, you eventually move beyond the mere vocal, and they'll have the war the want, because you and everyone like you will do the same thing. You're far from alone in this thinking, so they are winning on fronts that we dont acknowledge, at least not 'in the clear'.
  
  I know the outcome when the oppressive far right starts acting up, we have history books. They'll start the war, they always do. Our mindset isn't a problem, theirs is.
- I love their word choice. I think posts which are active threats that the FBI has to deal with are a bit more than “intemperate”, but okay.
  Here’s your pacifier, and here’s your Fox News. Now run along and stop making statements to the media.

I can't imagine being 75 and deciding that the best use of my final years is to try to assassinate a moderate president. Even if you do feel the country is going to hell, you've got a decade left tops.
He let himself give into selfishness and anger instead of spending time with all that family, sitting on a patio chair with his dog and an icy Arnold Palmer waving to neighbors, and enjoying old man hobbies. What a frickin tragedy...
I want to know about serious issues with this country, but screw extremist media big time. News isn't entertainment. It needs to be real or this crap happens.
- To play devil's advocate, I could imagine being 75 and deciding that "I'm going to be gone soon anyway, might as well use my final years to do something big."
  The rest of your comment I completely agree with, though.
  
  I hear you, but Joe is kinda boring as a president. What has he done even remotely worth hurting him for? If we were hypothetically saying "oh I'm dying, I'm going to get Reagan and GB for what they guy away with in the Iran Contra," maaaaybe, but the only guy I can think of that has it coming any less than Joe is Carter.
- @anon6789
  Me neither guy, and I find it tragic that somehow these fucks that cultivate these attitudes are even allowed in government when really they should be in the jail.

these right wing morons have had their brains eroded so goddamned far by right wing radio and TV, they are hopeless.. they are literally going to Hell, like their dead moron cousin..

So the family is just as bad as he was, got it.

How the hell did this headline get past the editor??
This sounds like the FBI shot the man's family after he threatened Biden, saying he's frustrated.
It's hard to put much stock in their interpretation of the facts when their attention to detail never graced the headline even for a minute...

After hearing stuff like this it always makes me reaffirm that Rush Limbaugh was one of the most dangerous, deplorable people to have the unfortunate opportunity to have a platform. Truly one of the most pernicious people to ever speak into a microphone. I don't know if this is a bit of a non-sequitur, but I feel like this guy would've been a staunch listener.

What freedom and rights have been affected, exactly? Is this just "immigrants and LGBT people exist" nonsense, where it's claimed that not doing negative things to such groups is somehow an attack on white straight men?

Remember when old men where cynical and did not believe everything they were told? Pepridge farm remembers!

How can the desire to make the world justify lead to wanting to shoot people with a gun? I think there is something wrong with some system that connects between that thought and action.

It's added by the software, its how everyone gets the replies

Why is using commas so hard...
- @CookieJarObserver
  It doesn't seem like it would be, does it...

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