1mo ago

"Russia is the good guy and DEFINITELY no violent suppression of dissent here! Definitely no incidences of people "disappearing"! Russia is just bullied by the US! CENSORED"~dessalines, .ml admin, dev

Source: https://lemmy.world/post/31072696/17552649

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=189&user=3711996

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I would suggest using PieFed as well, so we are free from software developed by tankies.
- I'm more attached to Boost than the underlying platform, so the minute Boost adds PieFed support I'm gone lmao (Could be a hot minute though lol)
  
  PieFed's API has in very large part been added by me. There's more to do before the likes of Boost could provide the same experience as a Lemmy backend, but every time I look at this site I see your behavior, I find it a bit demoralising and depressing.
  I understand what you're trying to do, with all this cross-post spam, and content-theft, and obsessive crawling through modlogs, but I highly doubt you'll achieve your goals.
  One thing you have achieved though, is to actively discourage me from Fediverse development. So, yeah, well done: this is one reason why it will indeed be a 'hot minute' before Boost can use PieFed, but considering that you seem to have rejected the entirely viable option of just ignoring lemmy.ml and getting on with your life, I don't really believe you'll ever want to move platforms anyways.
  
  If criticism of another developer is all it needs to make devs stop developing, the project was doomed from the beginning.
  Trying to blackmail us into obeying and being quiet will just kill it faster. It's deplorable and doesnt shine a good light on you.
  You got to expect that anti-fascists will criticise an admin licking a fascist's ass.
  
  I'm now concerned that I've unfairly brought PieFed into all this. It's not my project, and it will continue to thrive irrespective of how much I do or don't contribute to it.
  I do, however, think that cm0002's current project is doomed. The idea that the admins of Lemmy instances of any significant size will defed from ML on the promise that one person will continue to be willing and able to replicate missing content, presumably forever, is not one I can foresee succeeding. If the admins of lemmy.ml weren't also the devs, then maybe, but otherwise no.
  It was this approach that I was attempting to criticize, not any fundamental political disagreements.
  
  I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I also find it odd that you don't seem to find their behavior "demoralizing and depressing"
  For the most part, I just use tools and features built-in to Lemmy, like the cross-posting functionality. The most automation I use is simple notifications (e.g. I'm not manually "crawling through the modlog", it's just a (very buggy) python script that fires off a notification upon a matching set of conditions)
  But yet, you're perfectly cool with them straight up exploiting a known weakness/design flaw in the Lemmy-verse to further their goals?? Where's your condemnation of that behavior. I'm not even the first, or last, user they've done that sort of thing to before. And even in some cases going further and straight up attempting to doxx users.
  There's so much evidence and documentation, that I could form a mega thread on it, with everything from numerous examples of blatant censorship/micromanaging in furtherance of a toxic political agenda to allowing the spread of known propaganda/misinformation and repeating Russian/China talking points like Russia's Ukraine invasion being just a negotiating tactic or that the Uyghur Genocide was just birth control overblown
  And your response was to handwave all that away with, "Just ignore them and any damage they do to the nascent Thrediverse"?
  Which BTW, might have been viable, too bad they see proper user/instance blocking as a threat to their ability to spread their "message" so it still doesn't work properly after 4 years despite something like that being important enough that it should be considered a core feature
  
  Sure, okay, let's say I'm demoralised and depressed about all that too. My potential for unhappiness knows no limit.
  It doesn't change the fact that I find the ways in which you're perpetuating your endless feud with Lemmy's developers to be overly disruptive. As a compromise, would you at least consider packing in the reposting of questions asked to asklemmy@lemmy.ml to the community on world?
  That's not using existing functionality. It's not a question for which you're genuinely seeking an answer. The pollution from mindless crossposting of URL-based posts can be mitigated somewhat, but it's a harder problem to solve for text-based ones. Also, traffic from lemmy.world is more than all the traffic from every other instance combined, so there's no value in needlessly adding to it.
  Thanks.
  
  It doesn't change the fact that I find the ways in which you're perpetuating your endless feud with Lemmy's developers to be overly disruptive.
  I'm doing what I do because I have identified 2 main reasons holding back other instances from defederation (which is the ultimate goal, as wide of defederation as the rest of the Triad is treated); 1) .ml has "big" comms and niche comms, 2) Lack of evidence/overtness
  2 is addressed by my documentation of the mod log and posting here, there are some other behind the scenes stuff I'm working on to further this pain point as well, but not ready for prime time just yet
  1 is addressed by my cross-posting, I do generally aim for non.world comms where possible. I also try to compensate my cross-posts on a 1:2 ratio. For every .ml crosspost I try to post 2 articles/content that I've come across on my own aka "organic posts"
  I use https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month for final judgement, (usually the comm closest to dethroning the .ml version of a comm in MAUs, if that's a .world comms but another off-world one is close enough, I'll choose that instead. If an off-world comm already beats the .ml comm, I'll go to the next off-world, off-ml version as is the case with !technology@lemmy.world, my current favorite is forwarding to !technology@lemmy.zip
  As a compromise, would you at least consider packing in the reposting of questions asked to asklemmy@lemmy.ml to the community on world?
  That's not using existing functionality. It's not a question for which you're genuinely seeking an answer. The pollution from mindless crossposting of URL-based posts can be mitigated somewhat, but it's a harder problem to solve for text-based ones. Also, traffic from lemmy.world is more than all the traffic from every other instance combined, so there's no value in needlessly adding to it.
  That's fair, and honestly text based posts took the longest for me to cross-post because of that, until I eventually settled on the "Original question/text by" format
  As far as !asklemmy@lemmy.world goes, I was actually made aware that asklemmy leap frogged the .ml version and I had just started directing those posts towards !ask@lemm.ee ....and then the .ee shutdown was announced so I halted going there.
  There's a bunch of specific ask"X" comms, but no other general asklemmy comms (at least as far as I could see from .world) if you have a suggestion on that, id be more than happy to send to a different smaller comm/instance
  Also, just because I didn't think of it first, doesn't mean I'm not invested in the answers LMAO asklemmy cross-posts remain the most skipped, I'm often only doing ones that I have at least some level of interest in seeing the answers
  
  Thank you for doing your part in growing smaller instance communities!
  
  This community is always a such a rollercoaster of almost self awareness.
  There's like just two or three other people so fixated on this topic. It's been fascinating to watch these last few years.
  
  Hi, I'm the fourth person. I'm pretty interested in calling out people spreading misinformation about my country and glorifying terrorists that are currently invading it.
  
  Can you go into more detail?
  
  Self fulfilling prophecies, if you will.
  
  That's less detail.
  
  ZombiFrancis is a perennial tankie defender that pops up to Just Ask Questions and the like whenever an issue like murdering Ukrainians or CCP authoritarianism comes up.
  
  Can you go into more detail?
  
  Content theft? What even is that?
  
  On the off-chance someone creates some original content, it's likely that they'll want their name to be associated with (as the post author), and I assume that they're motivated to do it by the potential engagement they'll receive (in terms of replies and upvotes).
  Should they commit the crime of submitting the post to a lemmy.ml community though, then cm0002's bot will come along, and post it elsewhere. The attribution will be lost, and the post will be newer and possibly on a bigger server, so is likely to get the more engagement.
  It's not like everybody who posts to a ML community is a tankie or whatever, but they lose out because of some spat they have nothing to do with.
  
  But if it's a crosspost, then can't people just visit the original source?
  
  I mean, sure. If they recognize what's happened. We can hope that every person who sees a post just visits the original source, or I can keep hoping that just one person stops needlessly fragmenting everything. Whatever's easier, I suppose.
  
  So you're upset over people using crossposts?
  
  Every time I've seen cm0002 repost content from a .ml community, they've credited the author. Might want to check your sources on that.
  
  Maybe we both do. First link I found: https://lemm.ee/post/66363651 - OC content, no attribution, 198 votes and 3 comments that could've gone to the creator of that meme, but didn't. There's a comment from OP in this thread saying that they just use the built-in cross-post functionality (crediting the author would require extra steps).
  
  Built-in crosspost functionality literally automatically links the original post, though, so the attribution is not lost by definition. Also, even in the example you've listed the .ml version has more "engagement", by your metrics, so it doesn't even fit the problem you're describing.
  
  Most of us are completely defederated from .ml or blocking it. So if someone else doesn't post that content in a non-blocked instance, a large segment of us will never see it.
  I want nothing to do with .ml or the other tankie instances. If someone wants credit for posting things, they should do so from a non-.ml account to a non-.ml instance.
  Even if they aren't a tankie themselves, what do they say about someone who isn't a Nazi that sits at a table full of Nazis in a bar full of Nazis and says nothing about them being Nazis?
  
  This is a weird flex.
  Why would people on a comedy forum about degenerate Lemmy tankie roaches care about you being discouraged from Fediverse development?
  
  Yeah you're 100% right. The amount of time these people spend antagonizing each other can't just be replaced. This dude is actively enjoying being a fucking pest and posting about it obsessively, and people really enjoy seeing it.
  It's about the team sport of it all, this is a high school football team mascot stealing the mascot of the other team and gloating.
  If this person didn't have .ml in his life, he'd have to fill a huge void and lose a bit of clout. He has no interest in either.
  
  He's documenting the abuse of power by the developers of Lemmy on their own instance which will affect us all if they decided they don't want to limit their abuse of power and you think he's being a pest? Sounds like you just have an agenda to protect abuse of power.
  
  No, ya'll just really love high school drama. When you have a bunch of chronically online people who have nothing but time to snipe at each other for the enjoyment of thousands, that's a soap opera! This is just a fun political drama, like General Hospital during the cold war.
  Don't escalate it to something important.
- Mbin is also a thing
- Here's hoping that we get an automated solution to migrating instances from lemmy to piefed in the near future
- Do you boycott encryption for being developed by the us military, or JavaScript for being developed by a homophobe?
  You could criticize lemmy for being hard to maintain and admin for, not because people you don't like are developing it. Especially not when the software you're talking about is open source.

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