Activists say Israeli troops have boarded aid ship bound for Gaza

It is almost 20 months since Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to the unprecedented Hamas-led cross-border attack on Israel on 7 October 2023
It is almost 20 months since the US-backed colonial occupation launched its extermination campaign in Gaza in response to the ghetto uprising on 7 October 2023
- I cringe every time I read “the war in Gaza”. It is clearly a genocide. There is no way one could say otherwise, in good faith. The fact that my tax dollars are funding this sickens me.
- Been going on a lot longer than that...
- The Oct 7 terrorist attacks weren't ghetto uprising. They weren't spontaneous, grassroots, or widespread. They were premeditated terrorist attacks by specific terrorist groups to cause as much harm as they could to the nearby Israeli population. The first and second intifadas could be argued as ghetto uprisings, this is nothing like that.
  
  I suspect Hamas took a page out of Bin Laden's playbook, and expected Oct 7 to invite an extreme reaction, the same way Sept 11 drew America into two decades of war, thousands of deaths, and trillions of dollars.
  America will never recover from 9/11, and Israel will never recover from 10/7, no matter how many Muslims they murder.
- hey look another genocide apologist
- Tell me… how many civilians did the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto murder? Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?
  It’s necessary to call out „Bibi“ and his friends and get them far away from any kind of power asap and forever. Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.
  But comparing the massacre from October 7th to the Warsaw ghetto uprising is just ridiculous.
  
  Israel didn't need to put them on trains to extermination camps, they just turned the entirety of Gaza into an extermination camp.
  
  They had complete control over the lives of people in Gaza to the point of calorie counting how much food was allowed in.
  
  Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?
  They didn't need to, their victims are already in the concentration camp, they just dumped unlimited amounts of US-made bombs gifted to them by their colonial patrons.
  Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.
  At this point every American politician acting on behalf of this should need to get tried for complicity as well.
  This was a ghetto uprising, sickening that you feel the need to defend their executioners. The "murder factories" are on American soil, no need to ship people on trains, the colonists will happily deliver the US-made bombs to their victims.
  
  Do we consider the armed German settlers living around the ghetto in a foreign country civilians? I mean they brought their own children to help colonize their new living space.
  
  Would you be less supportive of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising if they did kill more civilians in Nazi Germany?
  
  In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
  
  Feddit.org users again trying to act like they care about palestinians. You are ignoring the fact that every single goddamn israeli government was oppresing palestinians and comiting act of terrorism
- 20 months since Palestine attacked Israel setting off a war.
  
  Palestinians retaliating for israel oppresing them . Israel should just get the hell out of palestine
- That was not a ghetto uprising, that was unchecked violence against Israeli civilians by terrorists. You do Gaza's suffering civilians no justice by tying their plight to the actions of Hamas on Oct 7. Their only crime is existing.
  
  not interested in your respectability politics shit, the American enablers have contributed far more to the suffering civilians than Hamas ever has by resisting their extermination.
  
  It is a ghetto uprising. Israel before the genocide used to calorie count the food allowed in.
  
  Palestinians retaliating against israel terrorism for 57 years
  
  don't you dare try to use logic here!

I hope Germany, France, Brazil, Sweden, Turkey, Spain, the Netherlands, and Ireland starting fighting for the return of their hostages now that Israel has illegally kidnapped them. If not, what a fucking betrayal of the social contract, beyond how shredded and tattered that's become in the modern day and age.
- Yeah that's not happening, Sweden's foreign Minister has already come out and said that Greta Thunberg is safe, is a moron, and doesn't need help but if she does then she'll get the same help by the embassy as any other Swedish citizen:
  Several protesters had gathered outside the Parliament House on Monday. This is to call on the Swedish government to act against Greta Thunberg and several other activists being arrested at sea outside Gaza.
  "Israel has, as we judge, some opportunities to escort this ship with the international law," the foreign minister said when she was interviewed outside the Chamber.
  Israel claims Thunberg is “safe.” Swedish Foreign Minister Maria Malmer Stenergard believes that Thunberg is currently not in need of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ support.
  "There is a great responsibility on those who choose to travel in violation of the advice that exists into a place," says Malmer Stenergard.
  “If she gets a need for consular support, we will do everything we can, just as we do with all Swedish citizens,” she continues. Encouraged to put pressure
  The Ministry for Foreign Affairs is said to have been called down on Monday, says Malmer Stenergard. This after Greta Thunberg on social media urged “friends, family and comrades” to put pressure on Sweden’s government. This is what Maria Malmer Stenergard can have consequences.
  “It is quite dangerous to conduct a campaign that means that the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ consular emergency services will be called down. As a consequence, that the needy Swedes in the world will have to wait far too long in line, says the foreign minister.
  Source: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/maria-malmer-stenergard-kritiserar-aktivister-efter-gretas-gripande

The Israeli government needs to release their hostages.
- This is something that I see a lot and it's irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it's this:
  a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)
  Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.
  This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don't even know if they're even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel's ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that's just imprisonment.
  
  They have absolutely used Palestinian prisoners as bargaining chips. Many imprisoned Palestinians have not been convicted of a crime.
  
  The only ones ever trying to devalue the meaning of words are fascists.
  Many Palestinians in Israeli prisons were put in there for resisting settlers when they started taking land.
  Those are hostages, not prisoners.
  But when Hamas takes hostages they are indisputably hostages.
  
  So what term then? Political Prisoner? Arbitrarily Detained Prisoner? Torture Subject?
  
  Does it also mean if someone abduct someone just for vengence without any demand to the family of the victim mean he don't have a hostage?

Oh man! C'mon guys, good luck out there. I hope you return to your homes safe and sound. Brave people.
- Literally nothing is going to happen to them. They're going to be released once they get the boat hauled to an Israeli port and then Israel's calls their respective embassies. This was this group's intention from the start.
  
  The last time this was attempted, Israeli soldiers stormed the boat and killed ten people.

The crew include Rima Hassan, a Franco-Palestinian deputy of the U.E (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rima_Hassan), that has been elected to defend Palestine inside the European Parlement. So that's not a surprise that the crew has a better treatment that the others.
I'm surprise that the article do not mention her presence
- She was mentioned in a Wikipedia article related to this voyage that I was reading about. It’s super weird for any article talking about this to exclude her, as she’s arguably as big of a deal as Greta.
- I think they're getting better treatment because they were very clear that this whole thing is meant to be a publicity stunt. The idea was to have Israel come and intercept them from the start, they never had any plans to actually land on Gaza. This is why they spelled out exactly what they were going to do, why didn't carry any real amount of aid, and why they were so cooperative when Israel did eventually intercept them.

Wasn't that the plan in the first place, to get media attention?
There was no other realistic option.
- I don't think, that's true. During food distribution, multiple people got killed during the last weeks. There was no realistic way of entering the warzone. In the end, one of them gets killed by one of the war parties that claims, the other one did it... There is nothing to win for Israel in this case. They could just let a truck waiting im front of the boarder drive in. That'd help more.
- If they arrive to gazathey would definitely be killed by the idf terrorists not hamas
  
  What utter nonsense!

Why would Joe Biden do this?
- I'm assuming the lack of /s is what's getting people here
- Do you really think biden would have say look israel you either let the flotilla reach gaza or we will stop giving you billions of dollars to continue genocide
  
  It isn't relevant because he's not President, and using speculation about what he might have done does not justify or excuse abominable behavior.
- I really don't understand the point you're trying to make here. Are you trying to imply he was't complicit in the genocide? His administration sent billions (with a b!) in military aid to Israel, as they were committing a genocide.
- What are you trying to accomplish with this comment?

I've seen this one... it's called The Phantom Menace
- "My Lord, is that... legal?"
  "I'll make it legal!"

Would it be feasible to chill off the coast and use drones to bypass the blockade to deliver aid?
I'm sure the range is too far or someone would have already done it, but it's an idea.
- The point of this was never to deliver aid. The point was to have the exact result that has played out. It's doubtful they were even carrying food, they did this with the intent on being boarded to produce propaganda. The IDF handed out sandwiches to mitigate the propaganda. Both parties knew how it would play out, the Freedom Flotilla got some video to monetize, mission accomplished, I guess.
  Also there is no way to distinguish between a drone carrying food from a Houthi drone carrying munitions. The drones would be shot down. Though you never know, the Freedom Flotilla crowd might try it if they feel that it would be good propaganda. Though it's doubtful since whatever boat they launched these drones from would be quickly boarded and they would be detained for potentially a long time before it could be verified the drones they launched weren't weapons.
  Gaza is under a declared blockade. Israel has the legal right to board any ship bound for Gaza under international law. The whole Freedom Flotilla thing is just dumb entertainment for the ignorant. It changes exactly nothing.

Do y'all reckon the Israeli Navy is actually going to kill Greta?
My guess is that somebody will choke first in this game of chicken. Hopefully it's the Israeli military.
- This is an easy PR win. Treat them kindly, send them on their way home, no harm no foul. Then go back to committing genocide.
- No, this is what will realistically happen:
  They'll intercept the boat
  They'll haul it to a nearby Israeli port (like the port of Ashdod)
  They'll detain and question the people on board for a bit to confirm their identities
  They'll call their respective embassies in Israel
  They'll have them either released to the embassies or directly deported to their countries
  And that would be the end of it.
  
  And 6. The aid that was meant for the starving children of Gaza will be stolen, destroyed, or left to rot in some warehouse.
  
  I'm not sure what you're basing your predictions on. Have you studied what they've done to similar vessels in the past? I know of only two, the raid in 2010, where they killed 9 people, and the the one earlier this year, where they shot at the ship with two drones. That's fairly limited, but quite a far cry from your predictions.
  
  Well, I guess it has utility because we're talking about it. It's expensive but I don't really think there's much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
- At this point, I think Israel is capable of anything, including the most abhorrent human rights violations imaginable.
  For the rest of my life, I will view Israel through the same lens as I view Nazi Germany. They are two sides of the same coin.
- If they do, .world is where the party is gonna be.
  
  Huh? How do you figure that?

sails into military blockade with the stated purpose of running the blockade
gets intercepted
pikachu-face
- People of conscience disagree with the morality of this "blockade," which is a nice weasel word by the way, when really what's happening is people of Gaza are being exterminated while under total siege.
  
  I disagree with the morality of personalized motorized transportation. Yet I don't stand on a fucking highway and then make a surprised pikachu face when I get arrested.
  This was what always was going to happen. They knew this was always going to happen. This is nothing to be surprised by, this whole action is just a publicity stunt.
- Do you deny the genocide in Gaza?