It gets really good after the first 31 episodes
It gets really good after the first 31 episodes
It gets really good after the first 31 episodes
Not just for series, this is the same with games.
"The first 50 hours of Final Fantasy 14 suck, but the expansions afterwards are worth it!"
"The game starts at max level!"
I can't stand it. And it's not like the game magically gets much better, it just feels pretty okay for someone who just wasted months of their time on the bad parts. Of course you'll enjoy mediocre parts later on after suffering through that crap.
A game has to start being fun ten minutes after the tutorial tops. Why play it otherwise?
For PvP centric games they absolutely get better at max level. You finally are at parity for numbers, and so skill plays a larger role.
I find PvP games with unlockables and grindables to be the opposite of a good time.
This is exactly why I hate PvP games with unlockables. Just put everyone on a level playing field from the start, à la CSGO etc.
“The game starts at max level!”
Diablo 4 fans be like
Nah, Diablo 4 is much more fun when leveling from 1 to 70 or so. 70 - 100 is just doing the same things over and over with barely any rewards. It's the other way around there, leveling is fun, endgame is dogshit.
Usually "game starts at max level" is used for MMOs like WoW. Where all the leveling is seen as annoying bullshit fetch quests and at max level you do dungeons and raids.
Ironically what got me into Diablo was my then-girlfriend now-spouse insisting that I go back to Diablo 1 with her and experience it for the story, and damn if that didn't hook me quick. Endgame D2 and D3 are great and all, but what makes something great even greater is having any sort of emotional connection to the story the game takes place in.
Also hot damn the ambiance of D1 is just something else.
This is not true for D4 unless you're trying to max level as fast as you can. I took my time and did most of the side quests, and I intend to go back and finish them all. The quests are interesting and engaging and voice acted all the way through.
D4 is quite a good leveling experience if you don't play it zoom-zoom.
2 and especially 3 too, though
Conversely, too many good games get bad reviews because of lacking endgame. So go play the next thing in your overflowing backlog. Some games do what they came for, and that's fine.
It's like giving a bad movie review because the concession stand was closed when you left the cinema.
My brother is 100% this…”ohhh you just have to get through the fetchquests of ARR and then the story is SOO good”
Ugh, ARR is horrible for that. It really is a good game after all that bullshit, but it doesn't excuse the bullshit existing in the first place. Plus it's so weird for Final Fantasy, a story driven RPG, to have so many low quality quests in the first place (both story and side quests). I can't fault anyone not wanting to deal with that.
Best thing it has going for it is that the dungeons are really fun even when the story quests suck. But it's been years since I've played and my knowledge may be stale. Someday I'll go back, but no way I'll start with a new character lol.
Also the tutorial shouldn't take an hour.
Ehhh, Final Fantasy I'll give a pass to on that sort of thing. They were telling good enough stories at least up till FF 10 that a two hour tutorial was ok, because the rest of the game was going to take you a minimum of 60 hours to complete. There are a few other RPGs that would get a similar pass. Baldur's Gate would get the pass, but unless they changed something in 3 I expect less than a half hour tutorial in that game as well
I've said that about FFXIV lol
It gets so much better though when Heavensward enters, it's insanely good
The story or the gameplay? Because all I wanted to do was play a fun MMO, get items and do dungeons with other people. Instead I did quests like hit 3 rocks with your basic ability. Great! Hit 3 more rocks with the same ability. Done? Now run between 4 NPCs and talk with each of them. Great, now kill 8 enemies over there. Run back, talk with 2 more NPCs. Run through the city and interact with 8 lamp posts, the interaction takes several seconds each, because why not? ....
I really tried to power through this absolute bullshit, but after a few hours I simply gave up. It only got worse, not better.
As you say Heavensward, I still hear that there is a ton of dumb quests then. Like the story is right at a critical point and they send you off on hours of fetch quests before you can continue?
That's why I don't play japanese rpgs despite liking them. You have to "play" for 10 to 15 hours before the game actually starts. And during this time it's a whole lot of cinematic and dialogs with minimal gameplay. Sometimes it gets ridiculous. I can't remember which game, but after few minutes of dialog you'd be walking for less than a minute to then have dialog again... I want to play and have fun damn it.
I can't remember which game, but after few minutes of dialog you'd be walking for less than a minute to then have dialog again... I want to play and have fun damn it.
Sounds suspiciously like Final Fantasy 13. I swear that game was basically an 8 hour FMV that was broken up every 5 minutes for the first 8 hours of the game.
Yeah no I can't do games like that. I don't have as much time for ma vidja games as I used to or as much as I would like these days I can't afford to wait 50 hours for enjoyment to start. If it takes that dn long for a game to be fun its just bad game design
Not to be that guy, but once you get past the first 35 levels of story in FFXIV (which is a lot faster than 50 hours) it really picks up quick. Like a lot.
The story or the gameplay? Because all I wanted to do was play a fun MMO, get items and do dungeons with other people. Instead I did quests like hit 3 rocks with your basic ability. Great! Hit 3 more rocks with the same ability. Done? Now run between 4 NPCs and talk with each of them. Great, now kill 8 enemies over there. Run back, talk with 2 more NPCs. Run through the city and interact with 8 lamp posts, the interaction takes several seconds each, because why not? ....
I really tried to power through this absolute bullshit, but after a few hours I simply gave up. It only got worse, not better.
Also, the episodes are an hour long each...
And each season is 20 episodes
It's like they suffer from "sunk cost fallacy" but with entertainment.
'I've already watched 30 episodes of this show... But I can't stop now. Not until it gets good!'
I recently watched a video called Why Do We Play Games We Hate? I feel it applies to other media as well.
The thing that stuck out to me was that some people don't feel ready to decide whether or not they like something until they've totally completed the experience. They feel it isn't fair to judge the partial product, so they'll stick it out through the end, even if it's terrible, just so they say without a doubt they did not like it.
I can understand the mentality, but sometimes you have to just jump ship.
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I kinda got sad when he got back to the main topic about games and stopped talking about the history of the concord.
I have a friend who grimly stuck it out through Wheel of Time long after he stopped enjoying it out of completionism.
Screw that.
For books, I get it. I feel a deep compulsion to finish any book I start, whether I like it or not.
For television shows? Nah, I'll stop right away if I get bored.
The books or the godawful Amazon series?
One Piece fans lmao.
This week's episode is actually really good. You just have to watch the other 1071 episodes first and I swear you'll like it.
I think that's just called Stockholm Syndrome.
Just spend a month’s free time doing nothing but reading manga and you’ll be fine. Wait shit that was how long it took 8 years ago when I was last caught up
My GF loves One Piece, she started me at just one episode quite a ways in - the one with Bink's Sake - basically just to say "hey look, this story is actually going somewhere". Then we started at like episode 60 or so and kept watching from there - it's definitely a lot rougher, but I'm hooked enough now to watch it with her!
I can't deny this lol. Sometimes you like it from the start, but the start is very corny since it was made in the 90s, so it doesn't grab everyone right away, but it matures really well over time and becomes more timeless. But even then I have to admit it can be an acquired taste with its cartoony style and wacky characters/world.
It's a typical shounen with all it's troupes and cringy narrative. The start shouldn't shock people. It actually manages to grab people quickly enough compared to other shounens at their beginning.
Over the years the story matures and develops accompanying their audience. The beginning was for teens and now it still has the same fans and followers that are in their thirties.
It's hard for shows that are so long lived to maintain their engagement.
It's unfortunate that it is true. No going around it - the first 25 or so episodes are cartoonish and the old drawing style kept a lot of people away. I tried to convince people to stick with it but most of my friends left it around episode 2 or 3.
It's also evident that it is perceived as a dumb teens series since producers brought it to TV to a channel named 4Kids. And then they quickly realized by the second batch of episodes that kids definitely shouldn't watch that.
That's why I'm hoping the live action becomes a success. One piece has a lot of amazing things, but the anime adaptation is just shat out of someone's ass every week. I can't recommend that to anyone.
If Netflix is successful in recreating the one piece experience - and so far it looks like they are - I'll finally have something to show people why I like this story so much.
I enjoyed even the first season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but it really starts to pick up in Season 2 when they introduce Danny DeVito's character. Well, it really starts to pick up when his character evolves into trash goblin mode in like Season 3/4. Well okay actually seasons 5/6/7 are where it gets REALLY good!
Me with Bojack. I straight up tell most folks to skip the first 5 episodes and start with 1-6. The jump in quality the show does when it gets to "The Telescope" is staggering, it doesn't feel like the same show.
let me start on episode 6 and get back to you.
I mention Bojack to pretty much everyone I care about. I am just worried there's someone out there that could love the show as much as me and just doesn't get the chance to.
The first few episodes of Bojack were super rough. I think I had a friend that loved the first few episodes and fell off as the show went on.
Guess I need to give it another shot lol
Well, yeah, I get that, even if I don't find those episodes bad myself, but I do think episode two, Bojack Hates the Troops, is a really good satirical episode that shouldn't be missed.
Ok, yeah, my partner loves the Mc Neal Seal puns, and even when we were watching it he was like "season one is supposed to be the bad one? Jesus the show is good then"
This is season 1 of Parks and Recreation. It didn't really start to get it's footing until season 2. I'm glad I stuck with it, so many great characters!
Yeah, S1 was trying to be the office too much. The camera shots and everyone's delivery was just off a bit.
And I don't think it really landed until season 3 with the cast change.
I like that after Mark leaves, he's never even mentioned in passing again.
Yeah, on rewatch I generally start at season 2. Same with The Office (US). Both shows are phenomenal, but they take a while to find their footing.
However, I'd certainly argue that even on first viewing, the first seasons can be skipped. You might miss a bit of backstory, but you'd be able to understand most things perfectly fine.
felt the same with What we do in the Shadows
I think a lot of those kind of shows just need to get to know the characters better and see what works and what doesn't in the first season and then improve on that when viewers also have a better understanding of that
Your mom is a great character.
Even then, you could skip half or more of season 1. I can't remember which to skip, but there's advice online somewhere I'm sure.
Just has to grow its beard.
And Rikers Beard is glorious.
so that's why streaming shows suck, they rarely make it that far.
After GoT and all the cancelled shows on Netflix, Prime, etc. I refuse to get into a show until it has a few seasons under it's belt. Nothing like getting invested in a show only for them to cancel it.
I'm the same way but it's quite the catch 22 considering if people don't want the first season or two it's unlikely they'll make another
I avoid shows until they are finished completely
Shit, if a show doesn’t interest me after 30 minutes I’m done with it. If the story only gets interesting after the forced exposition dump part of the script, then the script needed more work before they filmed it. In my opinion anyway.
I was sold the moment bug aliens took over Starfleet, and Picard and Riker blew Commander Remmik the fuck up!
Every Star Trek ds9 and tng person ever
Guilty
on my first watch of tng i straight up just jumped to s3 or 4, you pick up what you need pretty quick and skip to the good part
And Enterprise. It improved so much in s3, but good luck getting through 50 episodes to get there.
IT TAKES FAITH! FAITH OF THE HEART!
DS9 at least gets good towards the end of season one, and hits it's stride in season 3. It never stops being good from there.
TNG I swear is mediocre until like season 5.
I actually liked the first season of TNG.
Me too. It's a fun watch, getting introduced to everything. It just had the poor luck of being the least polished season of one of the best shows ever made.
Same here. I like the more OG feel the first and second season have, and some of the characters that are only there for those seasons. RIP Tasha Yar 😥
In all fairness that actress showed up fairly often for playing a dead character
What is tng?
Star Trek: The Next Generation
I was told to stick it out one more season for each season of breaking bad. Watched the whole show and it never got better. I hated it.
Seriously? Breaking Bad was awesome all things considered. But if you are not hooked by season 1 you won't like it, period.
The middle part of the series was a drag, too many filler episodes. Strong start, strong end, but if you don't like the start don't even bother.
Better Call Saul was all killer no filler baby.
Yes, I should have stopped in the first season
Literally the one show that got me hooked in the first episode.
how?
Yep, went the same route myself. I'm looking at you, Critical Role campaign 1 👀
But for others I always recommend start with the 3rd now.
I'm your worst nightmare. I refuse to get to s2 or s3 until I finish the dredge that is s1 because I'm of the belief that CR is only good because the people who watch it went through s1 first
Ooooh I respect that. You have a lot of patience xD I'm trying to finish 1 rn btw. Only watched a couple of episodes of 2 and 3 to check out and decided to leave it for later as well as you. To get a more full picture I guess...
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I started reading Neal Stephenson's book 'Anathem.' Threw it down after twenty pages, because it was just ridiculous. A few months later someone told me to stick with it, the plot really starts coming together around page 200.
Yes, I read it, and yes, it takes 200 pages to start making sense.
Am I misremembering or does it have a lot of made up terms?
I always describe Stephenson this way; some college professors will just answer your question; some will tell you what page of the book to read; some will answer the question in Latin, making a pun. Stephenson loves his little enigmas.
This image is fucking with me because the way it's drawn reminds me a lot of Family Guy, and Family Guy is one of those rare cases where this concept is inverted and the show starts going to shit after season 3.
The first few seasons were so good.
Just wait until you get to season 107, it will really pick up!
This is Picard for me. I thought season one was alright, season two was hot garbage, but season three is what star trek fans had been waiting for all these years. Perfect conclusion, but boy was it rough getting there lol
I agree with your take on the first two, but s3 was so gratuitous I could barely stand it. A reunion episode would have been fine, but they didn't do the story justice.
Yeah they completely lost me with the ending of S1 and I gave up on the show.
But RLM said S3 was actually good, so I watched it. Completely skipped S2. Nothing of value was lost. I guess Raffi and Seven are in a relationship? I think that's the only thing that happened in S2 that carried over.
I think I'd have liked S3 more if I was a big TNG fan. But as it was, it was basically the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, just that it brought back a beloved character rather than killing off a beloved character in the middle part of the story. Which of course made it so much better. But still, it's basically the same kind of thing. It was fine. A good ending for the TNG crew.
I hope the Legacy thing can happen, I want to see how things are going on DS9 because that's my Star Trek.
RLM didn't like Strange New Worlds, I couldn't take their Picard S3 recommendation
Totally agree, and yeah DS9 is my favorite trek as well (I'm actually watching it as I type this on my phone lol) so would love a revisit to the promenade.
But Picard season three was what I think TNG needed for a good wrap-up. It didn't blow me away but the final scene of the last episode was perfect for me.
Star Trek TNG.
It's literally Season 3, too.
Annoyingly, there are one or two really good episodes in Seasons 1 and 2. But the majority are total crap.
TNG, DS9, and VOY really.
I feel like this comic should be letting in people who convinced others to stick with DS9.
I literally just started with season 3 (for the first time) and I loved most of season 1 and 2
You won't believe how much better it gets!
Yeah, but the thing with the old shows is you can just skip ahead. It was all made for an age where everything was self contained. The most you'd get was a two-part episode.
Now it's all made for the Netflix binge generation, where every new episodes assumes you've seen all the previous ones. I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, and it gave us great shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad, but it does mean they need to get their shit together immediately, and not have several seasons of shit before they find the story they actually wanted to tell.
I guess I really just love the show then haha
Fucking jojo
But JoJo got good long before halfway through. For me it starts with Battle Tendency but for many it's good from Stardust Crusaders on. That leaves many more seasons and even more manga.
My advice for anyone getting into JoJo would probably be start with Stardust Crusaders, they explain why Dio is a big deal in the narrative and the mask isn't relevant anymore so none of it really matters.
You are right that the first season is a total drag and very skippable though.
Yeah I agree. However, Battle Tendency may be hard to jump into it somebody skipped part 1.
People like to bring up the first Jojo parts as an example of skippable content, but I also want to emphasize part 1 & part 2 almost have less episodes (26 combined) than half of part 3 (48 episodes), so it's hardly skipping anything since there are 6 animated parts.
I really don't get the hate for friends. It's just a tv show with funny bits here and there.
It's exactly what a sitcom is supposed to be. Light watching that's generally funny. Also if you miss an episode or two here and there it's easy enough to pick up what's going on.
I love shows like that, after a long day of mentally draining work. I don't want to think, I just want to drink a beer and zone out. Even though I'm still thinking about work lol
Clone wars be like
Honestly my biggest blunder of this was telling my boyfriend we watch Miraculous Ladybug and that it gets really good in season 5. I honestly lucked out that we both found it a riot from start to end, it's now one of our favorite shows.
All hail Avis
Me recommending Amphibia (it has like 3 good episodes)
American TV seasons are really a commericalized Stockholm syndrome, innit ?
At least American episodes come out more than once a decade
That's how Andor fans talk to me
But, there's only one season? And its all fire!
It's literally, one of hte most boring things I've ever seen in my life... but the fans keep gaslighting me, trying to tell me I "Just don't get it" or am "Too simple to enjoy something without pew pew"
I like plenty of things without pew pew, Andor just isn't one of them.
The prison arc is decent, but it didn't save the show for me and was not worth the god awful heist arc.