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  • "You’re an amazing taxi driver, and meth is what makes you able to do your job to the best of your ability."

    • "Recovering from a crack addiction, you shouldn't do crack ever again! But to help fight the urge, why not have a little meth instead?"

      • Addicted to coffee? Try just a pinch of meth instead, you'll feel better than ever in no time.

  • I work as a therapist and if you work in a field like mine you can generally see the pattern of engagement that most AI chatbots follow. It’s a more simplified version of Socratic questioning wrapped in bullshit enthusiastic HR speak with a lot of em dashes

    There are basically 6 broad response types from chatgpt for example with - tell me more, reflect what was said, summarize key points, ask for elaboration, shut down. The last is a fail safe for if you say something naughty/not in line with OpenAI’s mission (eg something that might generate a response you could screenshot and would look bad) or if if appears you getting fatigued and need a moment to reflect.

    The first five always come with encouragers for engagement: do you want me to generate a pdf or make suggestions about how to do this? They also have dozens, if not hundreds, of variations so the conversation feels “fresh” but if you recognize the pattern of structure it will feel very stupid and mechanical every time

    Every other one I’ve tried works the same more or less. It makes sense, this is a good way to gather information and keep a conversation going. It’s also not the first time big tech has read old psychology journals and used the information for evil (see: operant conditioning influencing algorithm design and gacha/mobile gaming to get people addicted more efficiently)

  • Having an LLM therapy chatbot to psychologically help people is like having them play russian roulette as a way to keep themselves stimulated.

    • Addiction recovery is a different animal entirely too. Don't get me wrong, is unethical to call any chatbot a therapist, counselor, whatever, but addiction recovery is not typical therapy.

      You absolutely cannot let patients bullshit you. You have to have a keen sense for when patients are looking for any justification to continue using. Even those patients that sought you out for help. They're generally very skilled manipulators by the time they get to recovery treatment, because they've been trying to hide or excuse their addiction for so long by that point. You have to be able to get them to talk to you, and take a pretty firm hand on the conversation at the same time.

      With how horrifically easy it is to convince even the most robust LLM models of your bullshit, this is not only an unethical practice by whoever said it was capable of doing this, it's enabling to the point of bordering on aiding and abetting.

      • Well, that's the thing: LLMs don't reason - they're basically probability engines for words - so they can't even do the most basic logical checks (such as "you don't advise an addict to take drugs") much less the far more complex and subtle "interpreting of a patient's desires, and motivations so as to guide them through a minefield in their own minds and emotions".

        So the problem is twofold and more generic than just in therapy/advice:

        • LLMs have a distribution of mistakes which is uniform in the space of consequences - in other words, they're just as likely to make big mistakes that might cause massive damage as small mistakes that will at most cause little damage - whilst people actually pay attention not to make certain mistakes because the consequences are so big, and if they do such mistakes without thinking they'll usually spot it and try to correct them. This means that even an LLM with a lower overall rate of mistakes than a person will still cause far more damage because the LLM puts out massive mistakes with as much probability as tiny mistakes whilst the person will spot the obviously illogical/dangerous mistakes and not make them or correct them, hence the kind of mistakes people make are mainly the lower consequence small mistakes.
        • Probabilistic text generation generally produces text which expresses straightforward logic encodings which are present in the text it was trained with so the LLM probability engine just following the universe of probabilities of what words will come next given the previous words will tend to follow the often travelled paths in the training dataset and those tend to be logical because the people who wrote those texts are mostly logical. However for higher level analysis and interpretation - I call then 2nd and 3rd level considerations, say "that a certain thing was set up in a certain way which made the observed consequences more likely" - LLMs fail miserably because unless that specific logical path has been followed again and again in the training texts, it will simply not be there in the probability space for the LLM to follow. Or in more concrete terms, if you're an intelligent, senior professional in a complex field, the LLM can't do the level of analysis you can because multi-level complex logical constructs have far more variants and hence the specific one you're dealing with is far less likely to appear in the training data often enough to affect the final probabilities the LLM encodes.

        So in this specific case, LLMs might just put out extreme things with giant consequences that a reasoning being would not (the "bullet in the chamber" of Russian roulette), plus they can't really do the subtle multi-layered elements of analysis (so the stuff beyond "if A then B" and into the "why A", "what makes a person choose A and can they find a way to avoid B by not chosing A", "what's the point of B" and so on), though granted, most people also seem to have trouble doing this last part naturally beyond maybe the first level of depth.

        PS: I find it hard to explain multi-level logic. I supposed we could think of it as "looking at the possible causes, of the causes, of the causes of a certain outcome" and then trying to figure out what can be changed at a higher level to make the last level - "the causes of a certain outcome" - not even be possible to happen. Individual situations of such multi-level logic can get so complex and unique that they'll never appear in an LLMs training dataset because that specific combination is so rare, even though they might be pretty logic and easy to determine for a reasoning entity, say "I need to speak to my brother because yesterday I went out in the rain and got drenched as I don't have an umbrella and I know my brother has a couple of extra ones so maybe he can give one of them to me".

      • AI is great for advice. It's like asking your narcissist neighbor for advice. He might be right. He might have the best answer possible, or he might be just trying to make you feel good about your interaction so you'll come closer to his inner circle.

        You don't ask Steve for therapy or ideas on self-help. And if you did, you'd know to do due diligence on any fucking thing out of his mouth.

  • Cats can have a little salami, as a treat.

    • You're done for the next headline will be: "Lemmy user tells recovering chonk that he can have a lil salami as a treat"

  • The article doesn't seem to specify whether Pedro had earned the treat for himself? I don't see the harm in a little self-care/occasional treat?

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