Banned for arguing that harm reduction is not morally optional; this made me a 'turbolib', despite breaking none of the comm's actual rules
Liberalism is when you believe in voting against fascism to lessen the burdens on engaging in actual leftist action, I guess.
Extremely dire turbolib statement here, RIP
Don't feel too bad, I've run into this shit in real life while trying to get leftists into action. Not even voting, but doing direct things. The idea then was that any action not tearing down the establishment was wasted.
My response? Great to fucking hear that, let's do it. Their response? Leave, you fucking plant.
People are fucking morons.
Some people just want to LARP to make themselves feel good. The boring - or conversely, dangerous - aspects of pushing forward change don't interest them.
I agree with the last sentence. Its a pile of shit to get anything done in this world that is not fucking it up further.
But here we are. I cook for the people, i write software for them, i help them get their computers set up. Fucking up capitalfashism one thing at a time.
Good luck on your journey.
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Citation needed for... someone... recounting their experiences in a real-life situation
... do you know what a citation is
Citation: the world ;)
This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.
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This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.
But I think I should make the rules more explicit about liberal electoralism brainrot.
EDIT:
Here's a more explicit rule for you. but as always the FAFO is in effect for the next time you think something is not explicit enough.
No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
Yep, it's a PugJesus moment. "Vaguely leftist".
So much for "I don't get a thrill out of debates." I wonder how long PJ will complain about db0 like he did with blahaj.
Gets banned for breaking the rules
As is pointed out, no rules were broken, but I guess that's a level of reading comprehension above where you usually operate.
So much for “I don’t get a thrill out of debates.”
Literally already clarified this for you, but I understand that comprehension in general isn't your strong suit.
No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can’t control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
Love this!
I figured you might come in here with some well mannered annihilation of op. Pleasure to read it. Thank you for your service.
"Harm reduction is reactionary" and "If you believe in harm reduction, you don't understand what anarchism is".
Classic.
At least now you've added an actual rule, instead of just banning people for hurting your feelings by [checks notes] arguing that inaction against fascism isn't morally acceptable.
PTB
Despite this being one of the things i disagree with Pug on, voting for Kamala Harris was objectively the correct choice last election.
The way we escape the Duopoly is to abandon it, but there were no viable 3rd party choices.
Also none of what I said so far can justify the moderation decisions made. Censoring this kind of speech is a bad look for the anarcho-communist community.
I think the thing a lot of people are missing is that abandoning the duopoly, or any other major political reform, is NOT a "just vote in this one election bro I swear" deal. These things take time. Sometimes a lot of time. And until that time where it happens, you need to spend each election thinking "how is this going to affect progress towards our goal". And allowing trump to win did nothing but push us closer to having a republican monopoly. See all those news articles of local government republicans in power suddenly starting to host town hall meetings that are republican only.
I don't like him or want him in charge, but if Trump wasn't elected in 2024 then he would have been in 2028.
The upside is trump getting elected probably spurs more apathetic people to get involved than continuing to slowly boil the frog.
Same thing happened after 2016, the Republicans got fucked in the midterms.
Despite this being one of the things i disagree with Pug on, voting for Kamala Harris was objectively the correct choice last election.
What is dangerous about Pug's behavior here is even though myself and others have repeatedly provided examples for how prominent leftists and leftists in general advocated voting for Kamala Harris, if not enthusiastically to others every single one I know explained in clear terms why even though they didn't really like Kamala and were against the Palestinian Genocide Kamala refused to acknowledge or do anything about differently than Biden (at least she wouldn't give any serious indication of it in her campaign... like at all... zero percent)... and yet Pug Jesus spitfires memes and comments that keep trying to portray leftism as this death cult obsessed with intellectual purity.
No, Pug is in denial about the cruelty of their own assumptions that they didn't realize until it was too late, and I am tired of them bringing the rest of us down for it and throwing mud on leftism in general in the US.
Either the protest vote was powerless and doomed to fail in the beginning or it was the dues ex machina that thwarted the wonders of neoliberalism that were just about to be bestowed upon us until we sinned... it is an emotionally compelling story and that is why it is scary... because it isn't supported by the evidence, at all.
morally
smh.
voting against fascism
LOL YDI. Liberalism works in cooperation with fascism. All of your politician heroes are working with fascists right now. They're in the same buildings doing the same things. This whole "voting against fascism" when you're talking about a genocidal prosecutor is gross AF.
It's okay. I like your turbolib ways. Keep posting you bodacious bastard.
Apparently being anticapitalist isn't enough anymore. Only opposition to casting a ballot for any reason can absolve one of the taint of Liberalism(tm).
Though that still doesn't explain what rule I was actually banned for supposedly violating.
Ok
Here I think is their rule:
They kicked you for arguing too much.
Honestly, the rest of the comment section ALSO should have been booted off that was the case, but you were the one blocking the echoes Fung Shui.
I found it most enlightening that voting is not the answer, unless you are voting for anarchism.
Just remember, structure and the exercise of power is violence, so listen to the mods and take your three day ban 🙃
Yeah, that line of thinking can absolve my taint.
Pretty sure the propaganda is liberals are super evil, vote for the lesser of 2 evils. If you are liberal, you should boycott the vote. That's how America got the way it is. If you like being controlled people, be sure to follow the propaganda.
I didn't read the rules because they are made up anyway. If you give me a minute, I can try playing devil's advocate.
You only commented once there?
I wonder why Pug hasn't responded with his relevant comments after being asked.
crickets.
Major PTB and hypocrisy. Accelerationists/anti-electoralists are fucking LARPer anarchists, at best, who buy into the same sort of political religion that tankies do. Refusing to use any tools at ones disposal to to stop fascists is pure performative bullshit. Being not just willing but enthusiastic about sacrificing vulnerable people on the altar of socio-political changes that have never in history come from such acts is amoral and in direct conflict with attempting to improve the human condition and establish any sustainable anarchic society.
And before they pile on and say "oh but liberal democracy is fundamentally unjust", well, the world isn't fucking black and white. Making lives worse, by all historical data, just increases human suffering. Want to take to the streets and do some direct action and use other tools of political change? Do it. If you're going to talk the talk, walking the fucking walk or shut the fuck up with the performative claims of moral superiority because all evidence shows that you have done nothing to assuage human suffering but opened the door for those who want to cause more of it.
Also, banning someone for dissent in a comm apparently dedicated to anarchism? That is not behavior in line with anarchic organization and is pure abuse of power over others to give oneself an artificially louder voice. Best to hang up that mod jacket until you learn to stop being a fucking poser.
ETA: Sorry for the aggressive tone but I'm pretty tired of people being too far up themselves to care about how their political actions effect others and even more tired of faux anarchists abusing their power to silence others' voices.
YDI.
Don't go into subs that you don't agree with, just to argue or try to prove someone wrong, and then get mad when you get kicked out for it.
Read the room, friend.
Wanna bet if you did the same, .world would want you banned again?
I'm not sure what you mean. I never posted stuff to .world to just stir up trouble. When I was still on .world, it was before the election. And Lemmy was a much different place right before the election; as in even more extreme and pro-censorship.
I was hated on .world c/politics (and most of Lemmy) because I advocated for third party, and was vocal that I was gonna vote third party. I was a proud supporter of the socialist party, and that's the way I voted.
My posts are still there, and can be seen by anyone. The reason I got banned is because I double-posted (accidentally) an article from newsweek that said that Trump was rising in the polls. The post that got me banned is still there. Anyone can see it.
Lemmy was pissed at anyone who posted anything about Trump rising in the polls. .worlders all said it wasn't true, Newsweek was russian propaganda (!), I was a russian accepting money to post, I'd disappear after the election, etc. Boom! Then ban hammer.
Well, turns out that Trump WAS rising in the polls. He DID win the election. And I DID vote socialist party. And I'm STILL on Lemmy.
So I was correct about every single thing I posted on .world. And I stand by all my posts, and I'm glad they are still there. And now Lemmy isn't as opposed to third parties, now that they see all the nonsense that happened with duopoly's.
Also, I STILL support socialist party, and still post socialist links. And .world (and most of Lemmy) still hates me. lmao
In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide, as he posts bizarre memes about the good old days of the Union beating the confederates. Absolutely bizarre.
PJ will say that its actually people being on lemmy why Trump is in power today, without a hint of irony.
In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide,
"Golly gee, I wonder why those evil LIBS would be complaining about the results of letting a fascist win in an election, just because those fascists are doing blatantly fascist things???"
Truly inexplicable. Don't worry, though, in 2 years, there's a very non-zero chance I'll be dead, and you can pat your fellow LARPers on the back for successfully killing so many marginalized groups without interruption.
fellow LARPers on the back for successfully killing so many marginalized groups without interruption.
Ah yes, like the Arab and Muslim Americans in Dearborn who decided they wouldn't vote for a candidate who promised to kill their brothers and sisters in Lebanon with the utmost lethality. These people are the ones who are killing marginalized groups. Sure.
God, the sick and twisted knots libs can twist themselves into trying to explain how fascism takes rise. I give you 1 year before youre calling ICE on your Muslim and Arab "tankie" neighbors.
“fellow LARPers… killing so many marginalized groups”
I’m sorry we weren’t so aware of the evil “‘anarchist LARPers” killing so many minorities for checks paper not cutting corners for liberals who actively are against many implied minorities. I get I’m beating a dead horse, but outside any political context and purely logically, this still makes zero sense.
An anarchist not respecting free speech and enforcing rules on a forum is hilarious to me.
You had me
comm's
...right to there.
For bonus points, anyone who believes in harm reduction is now not a real anarchist.