AI Training Slop

how naive of him to think companies didn't already scrape his facial data from anywhere he might have had a picture 10 years ago
- Yup. Last year some Harvard students put together a demo where they used Meta's smart glasses and commercial apps to scan people's faces, find their social media profiles, and summarize info about them, like where they live, work, their phone numbers, and names of their relatives in real time.
  
  So basically Watch_Dogs profilers IRL

Your "facial data" isn't private information. You give it away every time you go outside.
- every time you go outside.
  You guys go outside? /j
- But your likeness does belong to you. Try making money off of an AI movie featuring Taylor Swift.
  
  Don't paparazzi make plenty of money off of selling unauthorized photos of celebrities? Celebrities can control some uses of their likeness, but not all of them.
- You're talking about the American concept of having no privacy in public. Not all countries are like that.
- Your face being outside isn't your "facial data". It has to at least have that image, sure, in good enough quality, easy enough, linked to any piece of your identity, e.g. name or security number. If you just walk around and people take photo of your face, they don't have your "facial data". That's the entire reason why reverse image search and similar services exist. It is NOT an easy problem technically speaking.

It's already done, if you have any photographs of yourself on the internet. No need to fight that battle, accept and push forward.
- I suppose I'll accept it and just start pushing forward with setting fires. 🔥
- And what if there's no photograph of myself online?
  
  Pics or it didn't happen.
  
  Be happy

Did they not give Twitter their facial data when they uploaded their avatar?
- They do, but even if they didn't AI companies are going take them anyway. Bots make up 50% of internet traffic. AI companies have ignored robot.txt entries. Anything publicly available, even if it's behind a password, is accessible since companies like Reddit sell that information.
  
  Bots make up 50% of internet traffic.
  I've read a study that claimed ads were 50% of traffic by data volume.
  Is anyone actually still using the internet, or is it all ad networks sending crap to bots?
  
  Even its hidden behind a password?

ITT: People expecting the most basic of logic from a blue checkmark's brain.

I've given up and assume that my friends and family have already handed over my contact info, pictures, messages, DNA, etc
- Honestly giving up is reasonable. We need EVERYONE to respect privacy for this whole thing to work.
  You could be the most privacy focused individual and your mom's facebook page would still have your graduation picture with name of the highschool you went and your home address in the back somewhere.
  
  That's also ignoring how all of your actual personal information (full name, address, social security, phone number, email, etc) have already been leaked 16 times this year alone
  
  so what you are saying is that its already over and we lost.
- Sorry. :/
  I didn't know you minded.

Yes I have.
With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.
Suck it
- yea this attitude right here is why ai bros are so beloved
- Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?
  
  Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
  
  Just curious, do you know how much energy went into powering every computer and office room for 3 years while the latest videogame/hollyowood movie/etc was being made used up?
  Should we ban every single non-essential thing in the world or only the ones you don't enjoy?
  And please hop-off Lemmy, do you know how much power the devs used to program this site!
  
  Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
  
  Feel free to explain the down votes.
  If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.

I remember years ago someone in my class decided to make Russian look alike pictures of everyone in the class and post them as a gag on the doors. I forget what it was called, but several of my classmates were angry that the person had taken their pictures without consent and given them to some weird Russian picture algorithm.
At this point in time, I have no doubt that all kinds of pictures and information regarding me is in the hands of people and companies I don't care for. A lot of it is my own doing and some is out of my hands.
It is hard to avoid when you don't have any control over your own information because people share your pictures and your info without consulting you. All the time and without malice. It is what it is.
- Pff it's easy
  Cut contact with all friends and family, get plastic surgery, live as a hermit in the mountains
  
  Aka living the dream
  
  My dream. Get a death certificate and become invisible. Live in mountains. Raise chicken. And live a peaceful life
- There's stuff I could do, like remove tags from myself on fb (is that possible?) or delete my account, but it's enough work and enough of a loss (what if I need to find an old contact) that I just ignore the problem.
  
  It sure is possible, because I untagged myself from all pictures people had tagged me on before deleting all comments I ever wrote, all pictures I ever posted myself and then deleted my Facebook after that.
  For years, the only thing that kept me on Facebook was that I had a few people I only had contact with through messenger due to us being from differnet countries.
  When I learned about Signal, I immediately got those people onto that app so we could stay in contact and then I went on a mass destruction rampage of my profile. Literally went from "but I have to keep it because of my connections" to "let me simulate digital dementia, removed".
  I understand that most people can't do what I did. For me it was several years of gradual detachment from the platform that made it super easy to pull the plug in the end. It's a bit harder for those who actively use fb every day for social connections and jobs and so on. So I get it.
  But yeah, you can't really control whether or not people keep posting about you after you leave. I have already had that happen after visiting an old friend and honestly, I cannot bring myself to care about it.

wow that's evil
- It's cleverly addressing a valid point. If your face is visible on the internet it can be used in an ai database without your consent. That's just where we're at.
  
  yeah fair enough but every use of the studio Ghibli image generator is one too many

Gosh so many real problems being solved with computers! I always knew they would be useful one day.

I just saw an ad for a “training course” to “qualify” people to interact with AI as a profession.
- Are you in Europe? The AI Act requires some unspecified "AI literacy" from staff working with AI. Some sort of grift, I guess.
  
  Do you have a source for this? Not doubting you, I'm just not European so I must have missed this
  
  Not at the time I saw it. It was just an internet ad.

lol

Joke's on them, my face is dataset poisoning

the cool thing about consent is that you're allowed to attack everyone who pretends it isn't real with any amount of force
- i mean, I would allow you, but the law doesn't unfortunately

hmm. tools are useful for what they are designed for. maybe design a bot to design bots.

Lmfaooo