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I think the media coverage drop off is due to her getting older (and thus more "ordinary" - less newsworthy), and due to her not changing her issues or opinions much (and thus there is nothing "new," to report). Our newstainment system wants new and fresh and cute. Not serious and persistent.
The ship she was planning on boarding to Gaza was literally attacked by Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Freedom_Flotilla_incident
There is plenty newsworthy here.
Our newstainment system wants new and fresh and cute. Not serious and persistent.
Don't derail the attention somewhere else. News are mostly about the same popular people who have been under the spotlight for decades, there actually no much space for neither fresh or cute. It is implied in the picture why the media coverage drop.
And where are the huge climate protests like back in the day? That's what she was talking about that gave her coverage and now we don't talk about it anymore...
how dare you
You think wrong
Nah. She just doesn't really have anything to say. "Carbon bad" isn't really a message in 2025.
She's an activist in that she gets arrested a lot but there's plenty of people really achieving things that don't have the social media clout she does.
She also doesn't have any special credibility. Why would you interview a serial protester when you could interview an expert.
As an aside I've learned that any thing less than breathless support for her on lemmy will earn a deluge of downvotes. So have at me dweebs - express your support for this tapped out child star with your spiciest downvote.
Hubris detected. Opinion ignored.
She is just trying to raise awareness (and it made some progress), despite all the wrong things you think about her, true or not, the effect is net positive to the planet. Do you hate living on a planet with fewer disasters that much? Do you hate people who try to make the world a better place? Please help me see this from your point of view.
It is kinda like with Martin Luther King Jr. and Fred Hampton. It is very sus that they are killed once they started organising for class solidarity, regardless of colour, and speaking about wealth inequality.
Came here to say this.
Because governments were only using her for greenwashing and control public opinion.
What is the name of the Arab girl that advocated for girls education on the Arab world? She was also blocked out by the media the second she started talking about socialism and the injustices that the capitalist system brings in.
Malala Yousafzai
Edit: a couple corrections.
She's Pashtun (Pakistani), not arab, but she is a practicing Muslim. She was fighting against the Taliban's ban on girls from education, which is not a feature of the rest of the muslim world. It's a feature of extreme fundamentalism, of any religion, not of Islam.
Thanks you.
Edit: adicional thanks for the further corrections.
Did you read her book? I have it on my TBR list but it is a long list. I usually like to read fiction but try to do a nonfiction/memoir in about every 3-4 books (I read about 5/wk which varies d/t length).
Indeed, first time I hear about this aspect of Malala Yousafzai's activism. Thank you, wow.
For context: https://socialistworker.org/2014/10/15/the-malala-you-wont-hear-about (Compare also this thread, where someone makes clear that her being involved with socialism is no misunderstanding.)
She's always made that connection.. since day one. The whole "How dare you!?" Speech was about people still only talking about making profits of climate change rather then doung Everything to prevent more change from happening.
The reason she's not the center of media attention any more is because she's been the center of attention for years already and viewers/readers aren't as interested in her any more. Her name doesn't pull as much attention any more.
As you add more and more issues to the protests, the set of people that have the same opinion on every single issue gets smaller and smaller, until your movement falls apart.
In Germany around the same time, climate protests started to take stances on immigration and cultural approbation and also fell apart as a result.
Brother I don't even know how you plan to sit here and pretend like those are separate issues. You can't separate capitalism and climate change. You simply cannot.
That's not the point they're making.
As you add more issues, then the Venn diagram of overlap of all the issues gets smaller and smaller. It doesn't matter if you think this is an obvious objective truth. What matters is what other people think, because you won't have much of a "movement" without other people who agree and join you.
Chefurka's ladder of awareness moment
It's linked but Communism can also be unsustainable. Climate change is known since 1970 or such.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
There are only a few big billionaires. They could agree on protecting nature. I believe that they have chosen to continue for the northern shipping routes.
You have to take a step back and look at how politics actually works.
No one can do anything unless they get elected; and no one can take a strong stand on every issue and win an election.
This is what happened to Occupy Wall Street in the US, and I'm convinced it was intentional movement busting.
Probably the same thing with the climate protests in Germany.
Germany elected a more left leaning government and they actually did pass some good climate legislation. That was aided by Putin cutting of fossil fuels to Germany as well, but the protests and public mood were certainly on the site of climate action. However the protests were having problems of bringing the same numbers on the street as before covid and the fossil fuel industry spend on a lot on busting the protests.
Then the far right really gained strength in Germany and that became the much more pressing issue, rather then climate change.
I think the occupy movement fell apart partly due to the fact that it never really coalesced around any sort of leadership group or figurehead. The list issues kept getting longer, the list of desired changes kept getting ever more diverse and contradictory, and there was very rarely anyone who could articulately explain to the general public what the movement was about.
I don’t know about occupy Wall Street but the climate protest in Germany suffer most from radicalization. Ordinary people want to peacefully protest climate change, not march against capitalism, barricade themselves in tree houses or glue themselves to roads in rushhour traffic. The movement was taken over by attention seeking radical far left ideologues and that’s kind of a turn off for most people.
New York Mayor Ed Koch put it best.
"If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a psychiatrist."
You don't have to like the candidate to vote for them.
In Germany around the same time, climate protests started to take stances on immigration and cultural approbation and also fell apart as a result.
Fell apart according to who? The media? This is really what the post is trying to discuss. Why did Greta Thunberg media coverage drop once she started get involved in other protests too?
The movement is stronger than ever. The coverage has disappeared, but there are more and more people willing to seek out every right answer and give up every privilege.
Centrists and right-wingers keep pretending that solidarity and radicalism makes movements weak, when it has always made them stronger. The moment Labor parties abandoned radicalism and chose the Third Way, their voter share dropped off a cliff. The moment movements abandon their most radical left-wing contributors to appeal to the lowest common denominator they collapse from in-fighting and the hardest workers moving off.
There is no Schelling point for less-than-complete justice. Nations, religions, ethnicities, even capital is just one of countless different ways to slice the pie and pretend that the hurt you suffer is more urgent and in-scope than someone else's. If you morally accept rallying to one subgroup, then you have no defense against others you depend on from rallying to another subgroup and coming into opposition with you. There is no way around it:
None of us are free until all of us are free.
I remember smear pieces from German press after October 7 2023, where they claimed Greta would have fallen in the eyes of the world. The idea that "the world" may not follow the same narratives as Germany seemed to be beyond comprehension for those writers.
Germany is bound eternally to Israel because they'll never feel like they've atoned for the holocaust and Israel is THE Jewish state unfortunately. The historic antisemitism in Europe has been so bad that basically nobody can say anything bad about Israel without them playing the "oh we're doing that again?" Card. I have no idea what it would take for Israel to lose that association of anti-israel = anti-jewish that they've got protecting their every action. I know there are a lot of Jewish people who don't support Israel's actions, but apparently that's not enough.
I have no idea what it would take for Israel to lose that association of anti-israel = anti-jewish that they’ve got protecting their every action.
I mean, I know what it took for me. It's a shame so many in Gaza had to die for it, but I'll never look at them the same. Changing all of Germany/Europe may take longer, but surely what's happening is just as plain to anyone with eyes over there as it is over here in the land of the Mango Mussolini.
Part of that problem is the say 5% of people for whom anti-Israel does mean anti-jewish, and the other people who would choose to respond to Israeli genocide with a genocide of their own. It gives the Israeli government and its supporters something to point to as justification, and people who don't pay much attention to the situation just accept that at face value.
Wasn't she on those topics pretty much from the beginning? I think it really just boils down to the media (and people in general) just moved on to the next story. Greta's initial appeal was that she was a kid who was effecting change and reactions. These days she's just another 20-something that shows up at protests and people upvote on social media.
A lot of people in the comments are talking about Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. as comparisons, but where they differ from Greta is that they started with protests but were able to successfully fold that into movements and action. X and King didn't just protest, they didn't just yell at the walls of the establishment and demand change. King was the leader of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference which organized protests, but also helped mobilize voters, lobbied congress, and helped to draft legislation. X was part of the Nation of Islam which was a particularly powerful group in the 1960's which challenged Civil Rights issues in the court system.
For a long time Greta really hasn't had much to add to the discussion on climate change other than to say stop doing what we are doing. She's not part of some powerful organization, she's not lobbying governments, she's not challenging issues in the courts, and she's not proposing solutions, she's just pointing out the problems everyone already knows exists and powerful governments are already ignoring.
Greta Thunberg's name will be penned next to Malcolm X and Mahatma Gandhi in the history books of the future.
I wonder if those books will have a note how Thunberg's name was one of the earlier examples of large-scale manufactured character lynching.
It was clear early on how capital felt about Thunberg that every media outlet seemed keenly interested in reporting not on what her message was, but about how people online hated her and were making memes about her, and the threats and backlash she received for doing things like... checks notes ...traveling places.
She has been and continues to be objectively correct, her early messages where she said "shame on you" to the world's economic giants have been made out to sound "cringe" in young people's media circles and people still share and distribute images her making a funny face.
People are SO FUCKING SUSCEPTIBLE to this manufactured attitude, I had endless arguments on reddit on left-leaning, environmentalist communities with people who were like "Yeah we need to care about the environment, but do we really need her speaking for us? She's all kinds of problematic" without being able to cite a single fucking thing she said that was wrong or bad.
You ALL need to understand this: When you see someone react to someone or something, you internalize that reaction whether you realize it or not. Your brain looks for patterns constantly. When you see things that repeat, when you see things that fit a pattern already establishing, your brain solidifies these associations.
When some right-wing chud shares an image of Thunberg or any activist making a weird face and say "total cringe" it doesn't matter if you're currently chained to a tree while you're scrolling, your brain will attach to that association unless you make active efforts to de-conflate it in your mind. This is why so many people move right when we have a right-wing leader, this is why we have so many people dying on whatever hill Elon Musk points at. This is why most voters decided that it was "more interesting" to vote for Trump or just stay home. This is being done to you all on purpose.
I dunno but I think originally she was riding the "kid activist" clout. No offense but there are plenty of disaffected adults who dont have the media up their ass for no particular reason.
As a 'climate activist' she started as a parody, passionate and articulate about a hot topic but dismissable as a child. But when you start to say certain things, you lose broad appeal. You can go out and rail against the 'elites' 'rigging the system' to 'keep us down' but the moment you say the 'bourgeoisie' are 'exploiting the workers' and 'using capital to wage a class war,' you are not getting broadcast, and not being listened to by many people. People love Marxism by other terms but if you use the Marxist words, you won't be taken seriously.
Funny this gets brought up as about 4 weeks ago Elliot Sang released a 71 minute video asking that very same question.
When Martin Luther King Jr. moved beyond equal rights for black people into protesting the Vietnam War and capitalism in general, he took a bullet to the face. I suppose Greta can consider herself lucky - so far.
Dr. King, Malcom, JFK, etc. etc.
There is no justice in this world. If youre out there believing in people I'm out here looking for you. Please give a sign.
It seems in general that attention isn't even On climate change like it was before covid. The news platforms are filled with populist governments wars and genocides. Eve. Though climate change is the greatest existential threat it's ability ro grab attention has faded
Climate change is brought to you by lobbying networks that spans multiple industries. Why stop us when we can convince you to just let us.
We don't want to actually fix the causes of climate change, that would be silly and harm to the poor billionaires.
We want you to think its your fault, and to stop using plastic straws.
I see her on reddit every month with whatever new thing she got arrested for. Those are news articles links.
Seek the news sites telling the truth, not handing you what advertisers will pay for.
Is that when the Venn diagrams kiss?
What a mystery…
TBH I think it's because people mostly use news for entertainment and everything gets old.
Why are those dudes all so hot? Hot cops?
Because the people that own the media platforms that would provide coverage are greedy capitalists and Greta just doesn't bring in the viewership.
I actually saw her in the news 2 weeks ago about her trip to gaza. Must just be your echo chamber that stopped caring about her.
Implying Greta wasn't anticapitalist or antiimp before the Gaza war. Implying that "system change, not climate change" wasn't one of the core chants in protests.
Why do you attack the OP this way? Do you really think that they are maliciously trying to hide away Greta's politics?
Yeah, I think that saying "the moment she espoused certain politics, she vanished" while not acknowledging she and the movement held these positions while she was featured prominently in the news is kind of dishonest.
Honestly I think half of "leftists" you see online are just right wingers yelling in bad faith to create a rift. They know we are so ideological and ready to cancel each other if we fail to meet our purity tests that they just need to toss in a match to make the left crumble.
Aside, aperantly Christianity is making a comeback with Gen Z, and one theory is that at least Christianity has an element of forgiveness (turn the other cheek), where atheists who base their morals on secular philosophy can become very harsh in their criticism and once someone is out, they are out. I can absolutely see the appeal of this change for the youth. I only say this as sometimes we do need to look in the mirror. If we are so smart, why do we always lose?
Of course this is the Internet where we kinda just bring out the worst in people.
Intriguing affluent kid has become pretentious rich adult.
Europe has an energy crisis and its greatly affecting the poor. Germany is also taking coal away from Africa, after shutting down its nuclear plants, so its looking pretty stupid now to be talking about banning energy. America just voted in Trump again with a mandate to bring down energy prices as well.