US court blocks Trump's 'Liberation Day' tariffs
reuters.com
A U.S. federal court on Wednesday blocked President Donald Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs from going into effect, ruling that the president overstepped his authority by imposing across-the-board duties on imports from nations that sell more to the United States than they buy.
Lol. I wonder how quickly the Trump administration will get this before the Supreme Court.
The Trump administration minutes later filed a notice of appeal.
As soon as humanly possible, I guess.
Ordinarily, an order from this court would be appealed to the appellate court for the federal circuit, but I'm sure the administration will attempt to leapfrog this and try to immediately appeal to the Supreme Court. Since you only need one justice to grant cert, they'll probably accept it. The real question is whether they'll roll over for Trump. I can see Barrett and Roberts joining the liberal wing in upholding the court's order striking down the tariffs, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Hot take: but this is going to suck. The tariffs were guaranteed to tank the economy and would be someone that no one who supported trump could staunchly defend. Now we're going to get a decade of fascists saying "but the tariffs we wanted were never actually instituted so we'll never know how good they would have been. That's why I want to do this worse thing."
Like, I understand that the liberation day tariffs were about to send the US into depression mode and I still kind of think them being blocked is a net good just cause of how bad we would have been fucked.
But God damn it's going to be exhausting.
They would just move onto something else anyway, trump supporters will deflect until their death.
The Republicans wrecked the world economy in 2008, destroying half the wealth in the world, and were only out of power for 2 years. No matter how bad it is, there is nothing that can pierce the reality distortion field generated by the right wing propaganda machine.
You make it sound like they just did it effortlessly in 2008. The Republicans had been working hard on that crisis since 1971!
That has been my position all along. I think the best thing long term is if shit gets real bad really quickly. The slower the decent the longer the suffering will be overall, and the less people are likely to notice and remember.
Eh, with USAID gone and SNAP being gutted, a lot of the farmers are going to go bankrupt. With the Medicaid cuts, a lot of the rural hospitals (the main employers in rural areas) are going to go bankrupt. And if the "big beautiful bill" doesn't pass, all social security and medicare payments will stop until something passes. A lot of bad things will happen to the "wrong rural people".
Also, Trump has another law he can use to make tariffs with, and it will be another 6 months before the court rules on that.
That’s called accelerationism.
If they get their way, and we have a depression, they'll blame the Democrats. If they get stopped before it goes that far, they'll blame the Democrats. If the Dems are going to get blamed either way, let's do it our way instead of theirs.
That's been his plan though. Whatever they let him do, he would try to do more. Then they would stop him in court, then he would blame the courts.
Yeah absolutely this.
This is the back down Trump has been hoping for really.
When everything goes to shit he can blame everyone else because he wasn't allowed to roll out his dumb plan.
Honestly over the last few months I've been thinking a catastrophic financial crash might just dethrone trump. Not anymore.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping this fascist government would fail-fast so we could start rebuilding.
I somewhat agree with you, and I think we're also saving Trump and the Republicans from themselves here.
On the other hand, it is undoubtedly a great thing that SOMEONE has finally put their foot down and challenged Trump's authority to run the economy by fiat.
I fully agree. Protecting us from facing the full consequences of Trump's idiotic policies is more dangerous than letting them happen. The most fervent cultists would have never seen the light anyway, but there are a decent number of people who could be convinced of the error of their ways if Trump was allowed to singlehandedly crash the US economy. Now I fear that we'll just keep going until he is allowed to do something far worse.
Gonna love seeing Alito and Thomas try to argue that in this one very specific and limited case it's perfectly fine for Congress to abdicate its Constitutionally appropriated powers to the executive branch.
I'm sure some precedent was set during a mutiny trial in the Roanoke colony or something...
He doesn't give a shit about the tariffs its just market manipulation for him and his buddies
It’s a bit from column A and a smidge from column B.
The tariffs and planned economic uncertainty contribute to the destabilization of the US and its relationships whilst trump and the greed team ransack it on the way down.
They're also leverage for bribes.
As a Portlander, I'm really happy that some of the people that we elected here in Portland and Oregon lead this legal fight to stop Trump's dumb fucking bullshit trade way by fiat.
In some ways we are saving the economy from Trump, and thus saving Trump from facing the ramifications of his own stupid fucking decisions, but on the other hand, it's nice that something is being done to challenge his authority.
US should also refund everyone that got hit
This is going to be a huge part of it in the coming days. How the fuck do you sort that out? People have already been hit. Inventory is already here and has been taxed. Who gets paid back? Who is going to buy the tariffed goods knowing the next shipment will be cheaper?
White House spokesperson Kush Desai said that trade deficits amount to a national emergency “that has decimated American communities, left our workers behind, and weakened our defense industrial base — facts that the court did not dispute.”
Well the new budget torpedoed this argument doesn't it.
decimated American communities
The trade deficits have reduced American communities by 1/10th? Can this be..?
I've been wondering why they are letting him arbitrarily impose those god damn tarrifs!
First, we must define “they”: the republican traitor filth in congress. Need I say more?
It's crazy how we let one man tank the entire economy.
It wasn't one man. He's surrounded by supporters who can remove him from office.
We'll see if it sticks. The big, fat, orange turd is so greasy that morning ever fucking sticks to him.
Trump seems have decided that he can rule by decree regardless of the laws passed by Congress or the limits of the Constitution. Most of what he is doing is probably illegal and the courts should consider it in how they approach good will to the government.
what does this mean exactly? Like whats gonna happen. Kind of annoying that tariffs are in limbo.
I thought a tenant of a healthy economy was some base modicum of economic stability. With this news its like what the heck? Is this “tariffs go away over night” or “tariffs are now in place sort of, creatinf economic limbo until the Supreme Court eventually makes a decisions and then maybe someone somewhere enforces the decision “ sort of thing
They're not in limbo per se, as the court issued a summary judgment to plaintiffs and struck the tariffs down. There are no tariffs now. They were illegal. To get them reinstated, Trump has to appeal, the court has to grant review (which only takes one justice, so review will almost certainly be granted), and then has to reverse the ruling. While the tariffs could be reinstated, I think it's more likely than not that they won't.
However, your point about economic stability is well taken. I'll add to your point that the tariffs have already greatly harmed the U.S. by turning much of the world against us. They've forced other countries to look for alternative suppliers, and it is unlikely that they will come back, tariffs or not. They have also triggered boycotts of U.S. products.
Chaining this idiotic monkey to his desk so he can't fling poo all over the constitution.
Not thrilled about this. The tariffs were about the only damn thing I agreed with Trump about. Not exactly the way he was going about them but nonetheless they could have done a lot of good over the long term. Some damage on the short term, but that pain is overdue frankly.
You agree with a strategy that's never worked? And has caused extreme economic recession on both of the previous attempts?
Huh.
What is the upside of the tariff position?
It's easy to make the mistake of overestimating Trump's strategy when trying to understand his behavior.
Since getting elected he just doesn't give a fuck. He's got a decade to live at best and he get's to ride it out in luxury with the entire world as his play thing.
He got elected by saying he would implement tariffs, gut government services, and be mean to poor people. He's been doing exactly those things.
The tariff announcements just stoke angst. Imagine a narcissist being able to fire off a "truth" and the whole world descending in to chaos for a week. That's it. Like a child poking an ants nest.
We stop exploiting cheap labor in other countries that maintain said labor cheap by giving no protections to their workers. It stops the abhorrent consumerist culture that permeates society, and its ecological implications. And like there are of course, national security concerns that have been exposed with COVID-19.
Our economy has progressed from manufacturing to the tertiary sector just as it moved on from mining and agriculture (primary sector) over a century ago.
Not only that, but the way these were implemented is such a big component that can't be glossed over. We need food - that's included too? Just how quickly do you think we can get mangoes growing in Wisconsin for us to eat here in America? And if you want to bring up the ridiculousness of that idea... Exactly.
I am under no impression that manufacturing would return to the US to create jobs. If it did came back it would have needed to be highly automated. That being said, for me it is a moral imperative that we stop mass consumption of goods produced by people in abhorrent conditions. Bring it back here automate it all. Like Apple says they couldn’t produce the iPhones here but put enough pressure and I bet they’ll figure out a way; doesn’t Huaweii have a factory making phones with no humans in it at all? I do agree that the haphazard nature of the implementation meant that this was doomed from the start. But I was hopeful.
To address your second point:
I would argue that mangoes aren’t a necessity to your diet, you can replace them with fruits that do grow in the US. But I agree monoculture is a huge issue that has a somewhat easy solution but no one wants to touch the farmers living of the governments teat. Tariffs could have been a good tool to stop subsidizing them, without having a collapse in their agricultural sector.
Your opinion is obviously not very popular, and I also think it is flawed, but I will say I appreciate you coming here to try to discuss it.
It's true that globalisation and long supply chains are not great from an environmental perspective. Obviously trump doesn't give a single fuck about this, it would have been one small, purely accidental positive consequence of the tariffs.