What games are just objective masterpieces?
What games are just objective masterpieces?
What games are just objective masterpieces?
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Just out of curiosity, listing the games mentioned here as of this writing by their date of release:
Release Date | Game |
---|---|
1980 | Pac-Man |
1985 | The Oregon Trail (assuming widely-played 1985 game) |
1985 | Tetris |
1986 | Kid Icarus |
1988 | Mega Man 2 |
1988 | Super Mario Brothers 3 |
1988 | The Guardian Legend |
1989 | Abadox: The Deadly Inner War |
1989 | Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II |
1989 | Monster Party |
1989 | Populous |
1989 | Sweet Home |
1990 | Dr. Mario |
1990 | Final Fantasy III |
1991 | Battletoads (assuming original game) |
1991 | The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past |
1992 | Ecco the Dolphin |
1992 | Sonic the Hedgehog 2 |
1992 | Super Mario Kart |
1993 | Dinopark Tycoon |
1993 | Doom |
1993 | Gauntlet IV |
1993 | Lufia & the Fortress of Doom (assuming first game) |
1993 | Mega Man X |
1994 | Donkey Kong Country |
1994 | Earthworm Jim |
1994 | Sonic & Knuckles |
1994 | Sonic the Hedgehog 3 |
1994 | Super Metroid |
1994 | The Lion King |
1995 | Chrono Trigger |
1997 | Castlevania: Symphony of the Night |
1997 | Diablo |
1997 | Final Fantasy VII |
1997 | Mega Man X4 |
1997 | Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee |
1997 | Snowboard Kids |
1998 | Banjo-Kazooie |
1998 | Metal Gear Solid |
1998 | Sonic Adventure |
1998 | South Park |
1998 | StarCraft: Brood War |
1999 | Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings |
1999 | Heroes of Might and Magic III |
1999 | Planescape: Torment |
1999 | Quake III Arena |
1999 | RollerCoaster Tycoon |
1999 | Silent Hill |
1999 | Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike |
1999 | Sven Co-op |
1999 | Unreal Tournament |
1999 | Worms Armageddon |
2000 | Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 |
2000 | Diablo II |
2000 | Resident Evil CODE: Veronica |
2000 | SimCity 3000 Unlimited |
2000 | Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 |
2001 | Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies |
2001 | Final Fantasy X |
2001 | Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty |
2001 | Shenmue II |
2002 | The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind |
2003 | Beyond Good & Evil |
2003 | Need for Speed: Underground |
2003 | Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic |
2004 | Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War |
2004 | Champions of Norrath |
2004 | Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas |
2004 | Gran Turismo 4 |
2004 | Half Life 2 |
2004 | Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater |
2004 | The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap |
2005 | Champions: Return to Arms |
2005 | Psychonauts |
2005 | Shadow of the Colossus |
2006 | Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War |
2006 | Ōkami |
2007 | BioShock |
2007 | Dark Souls |
2007 | Mass Effect |
2007 | Portal |
2008 | Clonk Rage |
2008 | Left 4 Dead |
2008 | Mirror's Edge |
2008 | Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
2009 | Dragon Age: Origins |
2009 | Forza Motorsport 3 |
2009 | Killing Floor |
2009 | Left 4 Dead 2 |
2009 | Plants vs. Zombies |
2009 | Steins;Gate |
2010 | Battlefield: Bad Company 2 |
2010 | Limbo |
2010 | Nier |
2010 | Planet Minigolf |
2011 | Bastion |
2011 | Portal 2 |
2011 | Terraria |
2011 | The Binding of Isaac |
2012 | Hotline Miami |
2012 | The House in Fata Morgana |
2012 | Tokyo Jungle |
2014 | Forza Horizon 2 |
2014 | LISA: The Painful |
2015 | Bloodborne |
2015 | Ori and the Blind Forest |
2015 | The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt |
2015 | Undertale |
2016 | Doom (2016) |
2016 | Kirby: Planet Robobot |
2016 | Stardew Valley |
2016 | The Witness |
2016 | Titanfall 2 |
2016 | Tyranny |
2017 | Little Nightmares |
2017 | Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (for Deluxe version) |
2017 | Nier: Automata |
2017 | Night in the Woods |
2017 | Super Mario Odyssey |
2017 | The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild |
2018 | Celeste |
2018 | Donut County |
2018 | Return of the Obra Dinn |
2018 | Rimworld |
2018 | Subnautica |
2019 | A Short Hike |
2019 | Disco Elysium |
2019 | Outer Wilds |
2019 | Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |
2019 | Slay the Spire |
2020 | Cyberpunk 2077 |
2020 | Factorio |
2020 | Hades |
2021 | Everhood: An Ineffable Tale of the Inexpressible Divine Moments of Truth |
2021 | Psychonauts 2 |
2022 | Elden Ring |
2022 | Lil Gator Game |
2023 | Baldur's Gate 3 |
2023 | Dave the Diver |
2024 | Balatro |
Has seriously no one mentioned The Last of Us? That’s crazy.
I think the second should be included.
As well as red dead redemption 2.
The storytelling is just top tier. Better than literally almost all media made today.
Rdr2 was the only game that I was actually emotionally tied to the characters. It was truly a masterpiece.
Last of Us 1 was really good. But the second one was so bad, it kind of ruined the first one for me as well. And I wouldn't call it masterpiece. Because for me a masterpiece shines in gameplay, narrative and atmosphere. The Last of Us' gameplay serves its purpose, but there's really nothing special here compared to e.g. Elden Ring, were story, atmosphere and gameplay are all pretty much perfect.
Tokyo Jungle, YES!
A game so sadly lost to time. My partner's PS3 still has it installed, but no idea if the hard drive is still functional..
The only game I'm missing here is master of magic. I was shocked noone else had mentioned sts and ff3(6).
Missing Half-life (the first one). That game was the first one to feature scripted scenes during player interaction and it was mind-blowing. Plus, it had the most sophisticated story ever seen in an FPS before.
1996: Duke Nukem 3D
The only game I kinda like on this list is Okami.
Factorio.
I think Outer Wilds is the most unique and fantastic way to tell a story I've ever experienced. Truly open in a way I've not seen before or since.
With the banger of a soundtrack too, I just can't bring myself to rate other games higher than it; even if I enjoy them more, Outer Wilds is probably the best game I've ever played.
Slay the Spire probably makes the list as it's inspired countless tweaks on its incredibly balanced deck building experience
Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:
Nier Automata
It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.
On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel... (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)
Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, "the medium is the message" and unlike other developers Taro's writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)
It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.
Don't write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.
I appreciate that you justified your submission, unlike many answers here.
It's basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.
The god damn ending is a gameplay mechanic to tell a not yet finished story. Damn you Yoko Taro
Nier Automata
I loved Nier Replicant, but didn't get into Automata, maybe I'll give it another shot. I do love that style of storytelling though.
I tried to play that game, expecting perhaps a DMC-like gameplay.
Instead I got a 2D plane scroller?
Then 2D sort of platformer?
Then some weird 3D action that I did not understand at all?
What the fuck is that game.
If I enjoyed combat more, I could give it another go. But it was just not for me.
I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.
Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - "Ending"). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.
That said, I'm a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.
One of my favorite games of all time.
Portal/Portal 2
Deus Ex (the original)
Minecraft
Stardew Valley
Terraria
Mirror's Edge
Chrono Trigger
Cyberpunk 2077
Hades
Subnautica
A Short Hike
Donut County
I'm shocked to see Donut County mentioned. But you're right, it's a perfect pleasant game similar to the perfection of the first Portal. In fact, it's my son's favorite video game, by far.
The worst thing about it is that there isn't more.
A short hike! Very pleased to see this one mentioned. What a game. The best kids game IMO
I was expecting to disagree with the list at some point, but I'm finding it increasingly hard to find a reason to
Katamari Damacy. It has a reputation for being silly Japanese nonsense, but the gameplay is brilliant, the graphics are timeless, the soundtrack is incredible, and it has some surprising thematic depth.
Na naaaaa na na na na na, na na, na naaaa Katamari Damacyyyyyyy
Outer wilds
Shadow of the Colossus
We actually got two masterpieces out of this one title. The remake was an absolute perfect remake.
We'll see how much is recency bias and how well it will stand the test of time, but I really think Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 will be on this list going forward. It's definitely one of the best games I've ever played, and I've played a lot of games. It's not perfect, but it's close enough in all the parts that actually matter.
Otherwise there's your usual suspects:
Bastion, Hades, Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, and Tyranny (even if the last act is rushed in the last two) come to mind for me
Bastion is amazing.
For me it's Journey. That game gave me an emotional experience I've never had in any other.
Absolute embodiment of less is more. Controls are simple but intuitive, you can beat it in one session, there's no major payoff in the end. It's just a game about the journey and the friends made along the way.
I still remember having my mind blown that the other figure I met after the tutorial level was not just an NPC, when I noticed their movements were too deliberate and they were solving some puzzles for me.
I made it all the way to the end of the game with that person. Never knew who they even were until their name showed up at the very end. What a cathartic experience. I've also never been able to achieve anything similar since then.
I added the buddy I ran through the game with and he's still on my friend list decade or so later, amazing experience
This game will forever live in my heart as an absolute masterpiece. I cry every time I play it because something about it just completely sucks me in.
Hotline: Miami
Beyond Good & Evil
Final Fantasy X
Celeste
Hades
Ace Combat Zero/5
Way more to choose but top of my head
Edit:
Halo
Titanfall 2
M&B: Warband
Evolve (yes I said it I’ll go to the mat over it)
Immortality
+1 for Beyond Good & Evil.
For those unfamiliar with this game, this was early 2000s Ubisoft when they used to be creative, celebrated, and original.
It’s so French and weird and amazing
Journey
There is not a single word in the game, barely any control but the game take you through an emotional story.
It's multiplayer in a sense that you might meet another player, they can help you, you can help them or just continue on your path and despite not having any words it just fell like a genuine, pure connection with someone.
And the music is amazing.
Journey is indeed absolutely fantastic. It finally got a PC port a while ago after languishing on the PS3 for quite some years, and its hardware requirements are probably low enough in the modern era that practically anybody should be able to experience it.
My only gripe is that online randos seem not to understand the meditation achievement, and get antsy when you try to entice them to sit there with you until the achievement pops. And since you can't type at them you can't communicate to them what's going on.
I got the trophy on PS3 back in the day but I haven't successfully wrangled anybody into helping me get the Steam achievement for that yet...
Journey is an Art masterpiece, but one that you need to already appreciate Art to enjoy.
I got friends to try it, some of them enjoyed the experience, others found it boring as hell.
There is no "objective" when talking about subjective terms.
My personal, SUBJECTIVE favorites are Mass Effect, Titanfall 2, Subnautica, Stardew Valley, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dave the Diver, Balatro, and Portal 1 and 2
Factorio, Terraria, Half-Life 2, Portal 1/2, Limbo, Night in the Woods, Lil Gator Game
Can you sell me on Night in the Woods and Lil Gator Game?
I don't have it as a masterpiece myself, but Night in the Woods is an excellent exploration of the intersection of the anxieties of young and grown adults in a town setting. The script is tightly written.
Assuming that "masterpiece" refers to the quality and impact the games had in their time (not how well they aged) some of my picks would be:
I don't know how objective this list is. Some picks are definitely subjective and fit more in a "flawed masterpiece" category of games that had a large impact on how I perceived games but that may not be so widely acclaimed as some others on this list.
You could probably add E33 to that, even if it is still too early to know how much impact it will have.
Hard to argue with most of those. I'd put Ocarina of Time over BotW, but that's splitting hairs. Diablo 2 needs LoD included in my opinion.
God of War is an embarrassing blind spot in my gaming history. Is it actually that good?
God of War has two big strengths that make it a great game in my opinion. The first is the story with its great characters, presentation, and voice acting. The second is the overall "feel" of the game, which can be a bit "game-y" at times but is really tight overall with only a handful of core mechanics that are exceptionally well implemented.
Flawed Masterpieces
Masterpiece in my heart: Terraria
Good list. I desperately wanted to put Dark Souls on my list, as the first blind playthrough of it was a magical experience. But I don't think it's correct, no matter how much I love it. Flawed masterpiece is about right.
Yeah the souls games are something I like in spite of all of the things wrong with them. There is just so much jank and bizarre design decisions.
I kinda hate that all of the games that have tried to copy them have done so to a point of not critically evaluating everything in them. And then they have all the same flaws, but none of the unique charm that makes me look past them for FROM’s games.
I'm always curious why people add things like Ocarina of Time to lists like these. While the game was revolutionary at the time, I don't think it holds up particularly well nor succeeds where later zeldas fail.
To call it an objective masterpiece I feel like it has to be a game that someone picking up today would still enjoy and appreciate. Tetris and Portal for example hold up well even by today's standards.
I'm going to take this as "games that I never see anyone question their quality." (I don't even like all these games myself)
I’d take SMW over SMB3, but I can’t really fault anything else in this list! 😅
I like SMW better myself (actually not a single franchise entry on that list is my favorite in the series) but it doesn't have the kind of unanimous praise SMB3 does.
I am here to question Elden Ring's quality
Steins;Gate my man cultured AF
Since I haven't seen it on here: FTL.
Super Metroid
Zelda: A Link to the Past
Psychonauts 1 and 2.
Some of the most imaginative big budget games in existence, from themes to art style to level design
There are a lot of answers, mine will be drowned but... there it is. In no particular order :
Just started BG3. Fuckin mind-blowingly amazing.
If you really liked BG3 you might also like Neverwinter Nights 2 and DA:O. I heard there was a remaster of Neverwinter Nights 2 in the works, maybe give it a try when it comes out.
Clair Obscur has been the best game I've played in a long while, absolute masterpiece
Video:
Doom
Tetris
Chrono Trigger
Table top: Chess
Magic: the Gathering
Everdell
Azul
Wizards got all up in Commander and killed my interest in it.
UB are getting all up in my standard and pioneer formats and killing my interest for them/Magic as a whole outside of "limited" precons.
Slay the Spire
It's a niche masterpiece, but my 600 hours of play time agrees I am in that niche
Age of Empires 2 /w The Conquers expansion pack.
Roller Coaster Tycoon 1. (2 was weaker without OpenRCT2, the real masterpiece, but idk if unfinished projects should count or not)
Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament 1999 GOTY, Worms Armageddon, SimCity 3000 Unlimited, Forza Horizon 2 / Motorsport 3, Need for Speed Underground 1, Clonk! Rage, Metal Gear Solid 1/2/3, Ace Combat 4, Okami, Tokyo Jungle, Zelda BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Sven Co-Op, Killing Floor 1, Final Fantasy 7, LISA: The Painful, Everhood 1, Deus Ex 1, Left 4 Dead 1/2, Portal 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2... Champions of Norrath and Return to Arms, Diablo 1, Baldur's Gate 3 makes the list...NIER both games. Planet MiniGolf.
I could go on and on.
Thomas Was Alone
I've never felt so much for quadrilateral shapes.
That’s a great game indeed. The narration is on point.
My Picks...
Deus Ex (So many games try to be this and fail)
Cyberpunk (This one eventually measured up)
Alpha Centauri (Innovation mixed with familiarity and setting)
Fallout 2 (they're all good. Fallout 2 is special)
Kotor (Star Wars story telling in a beautiful way)
Baldur's Gate 2 and 3 (I'm stunned that 3 was a worthy successor)
Homeworld (One of the World's truly beautiful games)
Phantom Liberty is where Cyberpunk becomes a masterpiece.
I remember trying the demo to Homeworld when I was a kid, it came with one of those old school PC GAMER demo CDs. I think I was too young to understand how to play it effectively, but still loved it because I found the ambience of the experience so memorizing while hyper-cozy. Would you say it she's well as something worth going back and playing now, and what of the sequel(s)?
I still repplay now and then, there's no game like it.
Sadly the sequals failed to capture the grace of the original, though I've not tried 3 yet.
Red Alert 2
Heroes of Might and Magic 3
Super Mario Brothers 3
Celeste. Emotional narrative that seamlessly blends with the gameplay, which implementa never before seen accessibility configuration, enhanced by one of the best soundtracks ever. All while being cheap, indie, and one of the best speedrun games ever made
Doom (93) I guess ?
Also HL and HL2
Heres a list of some favorites:
Imperfect perfection: Morrowind
Perfect perfection: Starcraft Brood War
Objective perfection: Plants vs Zombies
Subjective perfection: Knights of the Old Republic
Perfect for its time: Gauntlet IV
Perfect timeless: Sonic 2
Perfect for its genre: LOZ Minish Cap
Perfect All-in-one: Shenmue II
Minish Cap seems such an underrated gem
Glad to see some love for Shenmue
Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
Disco Elysium
Alpha Centauri
Super Marios Bros 3
Bloodborne
Ori 1 & 2
Fallout 1 & 2
Planescape: Torment
The Outer Wilds
Atari: Frogger NES: RBI Baseball / Tecmo Bowl.
Genesis: Phantasy Star IV
N64: Ocarina.
PSX: FF IX.
PSP: Lumines
Saturn: Panzer Dragoon Dreamcast: Rez and Skies of Arcadia
PS2 Vice City
XBOX: PD Orta 360: Child of Eden / Shadow Complex
PC agree with all yours. Would add Syndicate, Witcher 3, & red alert DS: Dawn of Sorrow Neo Geo: Last Blade 2
I'm taking this to mean games that stand out in or define their genre, are widely considered to be excellent, are timeless, and there's very little if any fat to trim.
These aren't necessarily my favorite games, but games I think are well respected. I probably missed a bunch.
Super Metroid
Witcher 3 for me.
I had to scroll so far to find anyone mentioning W3... Absolutely insane to me that this isn't much higher and more mentioned.
Dragon Age: Origins and Bioshock
Yes to both of these.
RimWorld
Truly, the replayability is staggering.
Someone likes a challenge. :)
MAD MAX from 2015, while not tied directly to the new movies it scratches an itch I haven’t found in any other game. It’s dark and bleak and brutal. The combat on foot and behind the wheel are both incredible. Nothing quite like being in the middle of ripping a convoy 7 new assholes and being hit with a dust storm. It can be repetitive if you want to complete everything but BY THE GODS OF VALHALLA is it a fucking blast.
It actually is directly tied to the movies. The character who first gives Furiosa a chassis to build from isn't quite as hunchbacked as in the game but he is credited as "Chumbucket!"
No shit that’s awesome!
I think masterpieces is one word.
Hades. Transcends the rogue-like genre through incredible writing, art direction, and music. The gameplay is some of the most addictive I’ve ever played. I’m at over 200 hours logged and I still get lost in it.
Hades
Hollow Knight
Noita
Super Metroid
Prey (2017)
DOOM (2016)
Factorio
Stardew Valley
Undertale
Super Metroid is still the first that comes to mind. Amazing experience from start to finish.
Supergiant games' holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.
Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don't believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.
There's also one other, but you'll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.
Bastion and Transistor, sure. Without a doubt, imoactful clever stories that were well delivered.
Pyre always felt like a buggy mess tho. I tried multiple times to get into it but it's just not on the level of the first two.
You are wrong about borderlands as there is one more and it is pretty muc h perfect.
Tales from the Borderlands.
Shame they never made a sequel for it but the artistry, music and story are all so well crafted. Someone loved Borderlands making that.
Feels odd to include Pyre over Hades.
Left4Dead2 (also L4D1)
EXCEPT....for when your computer teammate jumps in front of you while you're shooting and accosts you for it, then a second later they literally mow down a bunch of infected by shooting through you with no consequences.
So I have to knock it down to a 9.9/10
There hasnt been yet a game that could replicate the experience I ld had when I played Planescape: Torment
Was it the game, or was it the life you had while playing the game?
The game itself, for me. I played it through a few times when it first came out, and then very recently I got it on Steam and played again for the first time since. Still as poignant.
The Witness
Inside.
Came here to say Limbo
Zelda Breath of the wild for me. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Tears of the Kingdom but breath of the wild scratched a perfect itch for me. Especially master mode. Well over 1000 hours played.
I also maintain that Breath of the Wild was superior to Tears of the Kingdom. Apparently this opinion makes Zelda fans incredibly salty.
It's the vibe. TotK just... Feels more industrial, and less clean and hopeful. BotW was just so pretty and you HAD to walk to places or glide the first time. The machines in TotK made it so easy to skip the nature that it felt less rewarding to play. Like, if you could just snap your fingers and have the perfect house immediately with no work, no effort, the house wouldn't feel as rewarding as one you built with your own skill.
The Spyro the dragon trilogy for me is just an absolute masterpiece.
Final Fantasy VII, IX and X are three master pieces
Metroid prime and fusion
Fatal Frame trilogy on the PlayStation 2, Forbidden Siren, Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil 2 are amongst the best of the best
I do think the Spyro games are probably the absolute best of the collect-a-thon genre. Joyful and fun and with fun puzzles. I am worried I am too biased to say it though since I have 120%/100%/117% beat the games multiple multiple multiple times.
Hey, you and me man xD