AOC Seen as ‘Face’ of Democratic Party — and It’s Not Even Close: New Poll

Weird. The party that claims to be "for the people" keeps putting centrists in charge. We're ready for someone who is actually for the people!
- Quickest way to mobilize the Democratic party is to threaten to put a progressive in charge
  
  They learned their lesson with Obama. The funny thing is he’s not even a fucking leftist, the party is just so full of dinosaurs they think a modern centrist is a leftist.
  
  See David Hogg
  
  they'd rather lose to Trump for a third term than do that.
- They’re definitely for the billionaire people.
  
  DNC: I am here for the working people-- from billionaires, all the way to millionaires.
  
  Aren't there primaries for the Dems?
- Sadly I don't think it's possible to have a party "for the people" with only two parties. There's too much pressure for both of them to champion the status quo.
  
  "Championing the status quo" is not how I would describe what Republicans are doing right now.
  
  Yes it is. If the part "for the people" turns out to be captured you drop it and get in an actual party for the people. Rinse and repeat as needed. There is a problem with political parties growing too old and becoming too institutionalized. But keeping them in power instead of giving them the boot is a choice made by the voters.
- Controlled opposition
  
  Buzzword catchphrase
- It all makes sense when you realize who makes the cutoff for what they consider "people."
- Conservatives, they are putting conservatives in charge. Don't be fooled by how republicans label themselves. They haven't been conservative since before the turn of the century.
  It's DNC leadership that has taken up that mantle.
- I'm confused. Are you arguing that AOC is or isn't for the people?
  
  She absolutely is. Her nomination is the DNC's nightmare.
- ~~The party~~ The people that vote in the primaries for the party that claims to be “for the people” keeps putting centrists in charge.
  Most people don't vote in the Democratic primaries. Did you?

she's got my vote

She's not the face of the Democratic Party
She's the face of a completely new and different party that has nothing to do with old Democrats.
To me, I've been viewing the US as being governed under a one party state for a while ... the Republicans and the Democrats form two halves of the same organization.
The US doesn't need a third party
They need to form a new second opposition party because the old one morphed into the monstrous thing we have today.
- The US needs a third, a fourth, a fifth and several more parties as viable alternatives.
  They to drop any weird FPTP systems, this will allow new parties to come into play.
  This would also end the ridiculous gerrymandering shit
  
  Omg, I love you. I've been screaming this since CGPGrey's videos about voting and alternatives to what we have. Getting that is gonna require all existing party members to be cool with a complete loss of power and an increase in the amount of work the have to do to keep their power or get elected.
  It'll take the states. However, there are already states trying to ban alternative voting methods.
  
  And there's no chance it can get one while $ is in American politics.
  
  Yeah, no.
  If no party can get to 270 electoral votes, the president is picked by the House of Representatives.
  That means congress would need be flippped into third party majority first.
  Splitting the left off only benefits the far right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is stuck in an echo chamber.
- One of the UK’s two parties has died and the other is in the process of killing itself. Two party duopolies can disintegrate, even under FPTP, we just have to hope that Left parties emerge, not just rebranded far-right ones.
- The Democratic Party is just a vessel. It used to be the right wing (relative). Now it's the left wing (relative). Bernie and AOC don't really fit in with the Dems, but they can. Same with Manchin.
  There was a time where I thought a Musk type could rally many behind a weird Libertarian version of the DNC or RNC and shift the landscape. But he just went hard fascist as soon as he publicly aligned with the right.
- Any time someone can't tell the difference between centrists and fascists, I just have to assume that their stance is more about arguing than it is about a sincerely held ideology.
- Or put another way, it's time for the non-fascist party to realign ideologically as part of the Seventh Party Era
- Fuck that.
  Centrists/Republcian Lites don't deserve to the party.
  They are free to fight republicans over control of that shitshow.
- Pretty much, yeah.
  Taking over the Democratic Party vs starting a new party is kinda like addressing climate change on Earth vs terraforming Mars.
  The former sounds painful and bureaucratic while the latter sounds exciting and innovative.
  But if you can’t fix the party or planet you’ve got, which has like 80% of the hard work done already, what hope do you have of doing a new thing from scratch?
  
  One of the criticisms against the Democratic Party is that they aren't particularly democratic. Party insiders and the wealthy hold far more power and practically pick the nominees.
  Rather than compare them to the planet from which we were birthed, I would compare them to a shitty boyfriend we're afraid to dump.

Next to Bernie she's the best the Dems have to offer. And for any possible run for President, she beats Bernie on age.
If they run Harris again, or Newsom or some other conservative Democrat in 2028, the party is fucked.
- Newsom is trying his level best to have a right-of-center glow up right now. I'm almost certain that the DNC plans to tilt the scales for him. They likely will resist running a woman again for a long time because they've stupidly come to the conclusion that it was the genitalia of the candidates and not the quality of the candidate, campaign, and platform that caused them to lose what should have been two of the most winnable elections ever.
  
  Progressive woman of color
  Or
  Conservative white guy with (D) next to his name.
  Pretty sure we can guess who will win the primary if they can help it. DNC leadership is not interested in what it's membership wants.
  
  Absolutely. I can't see AOC being given a chance in 2028 unfortunately, unless things change a bit. Not excited for Newsom as a candidate :/
- Her as president and Bernie as vp. If they kill her then they put someone even more opposed to their views in power.
  
  As much as I absolutely adore Bernie, the guy needs a rest. He'd be starting as VP for a potential 8 year period of two terms at 86.....That means he'd be 94 by the time he left office. The man is an absolute beast, but father time catches up with us all and I don't want to see his final days in politics to be a sad decline after everything he's given. He deserves to serve as a badass senator, like he always has, until a progressive gets elected as president and then retire.
  AOC and Pete Buttigeig as VP, on the other hand......or Tim Waltz again......or Elizabeth Warren for a double team, all woman ticket? Hell yeah.
  
  The Gore Strategy
- You guys need more than just two relevant parties. AOC being this popular should prompt her to start her own movement, supported by Bernie, raher than clinging to the "Democrats".
  
  They need election reform for that to happen.
  
  I'll trust her judgment on that one.
  
  Ideally, we get an democrat Bernie or AOC presidency, who then runs for a second term as an independent. Incumbents tend to have name recognition, which would make it easier to give the DNC the Old Yeller treatment. The Geronocrats have a callow ambition, even if progressives manage to Tea Party things. After all, the DNC's bluebloods will want to retake the throne. It would be best if the throne that they treasure was lost outright.
- Agree but have the senior members support and coach AOC, have a united front. We're supposed to support and learn from our elders but they have an obligation to move aside and allow the younger leaders to rise.
  
  Support, yes. Not too sure about coaching, though, I think she's doing great without needing to consult old white people
  
  Agree but have the senior members support and coach AOC
  lol the dweebs that can't win a slam dunk election because they are too busy running corporate friendly husks
- Of course they will. Harris or Buttigeig

I promise you the Democratic Party will do whatever it takes to keep her away from leadership roles because she actually wants to change things.
That’s the one thing the Democratic Party is consistent on: rejecting progressives, even if it means letting the conservatives win.
- always so strange to see the words 'guarantee' or 'promise' when someone is giving a predictive opinion for an outcome they have no contol over.

That's funny, because the dnc does not share any of her ideology, and it's not even close
- Because the DNC leadership doesn't represent anyone except for the donors who own them.
  
  The voters keep voting for the same corporate fellatio enthusiasts, so I guess they are representing their voters. The core Dem voters are as bad as, and walk hand-in-hand with, the DNC.
- Yeah she needs to spilt and be the face of an actual workers party, not the mask for the failed democrats.
  
  AOC and Bernie should break off, start a new party and call it the Social Democrats ... if for no other reason than that is what they espouse -- a socially-conscious mandate that the government is to be there for the people, not the other way around.

We should be so lucky to have a party she represents in this country. The only reason she has that seat is by defying the DNC as a spoiler. They only elevate politicians to the Federal level on the basis of how good they've proven they are at collecting that sweet, sweet corpo bribe money.
The DNC and democratic leadership would rather dissappear her Than Trump by a mile.
The pendulum is the point. Both parties are well bribed to maintain the capitalist's murderous control. Good cop and bad cop are both just fine with mass homelessness and entire murder for profit confidence scheme market sectors. One laughs at you when the capitalists cause you harm, the other just shrugs and says "golly gee market forces nothing we can do! But I affirm your right to die horribly as who you are here in this cardboard box under a freeway! Pronouns are free so whatever I still get bribed 😁" (edit to be clear, respecting others identity is the right thing to do and basic decency, but there's a hierarchy of needs, self-actualization only matters if you have your basic needs met. You cannot live in an affirmation ribbon, you cannot eat a preferred pronoun, priorities.)
If the Democrats were led by someone talking about redistribution, that bribe gravy train would stop. If by some miracle AOC manages to steal the party out from under them as Trump did the RNC, the DNC would be fighting her every move and comment the way we wish they were countering Trump right now. In fact, here's how Democrat leadership spent the months leading to Trump's inauguration:
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/12/aoc-pelosi-oversight-committee-connolly-raskin
Defending the country from one of the only slightly left Reps in the entire federal government.
Democrats like Schumer and Pelosi are far closer to Trump than AOC.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

Make it clear to the Democratic Party establishment that progressive candidates will be on the ballot in every congressional district in Nov 2026, and they will be a spoiler candidate if they have to be. Either way, we are done with their shit. There will never be a better time.
- they will be a spoiler candidate if they have to be
  I'd rather phrase it as "and they better not run a neolib spoiler candidate". It's not the progressives with popular support who are spoilers, but the neoliberals who are only propped up by corpo lobbies.
- The way to prevent a new party from being a spoiler, is having the neoliberal DNC not running a candidate.
  Since they clearly aren't interested in winning or stopping Trump, nothing would change.
  
  Look into star voting when you have a chance. The democrats can be whatever they want if the voters get the freedom to transfer their vote how they wish.
- Write your senators about this folks, if you really care about Bernie and AOC, write your Senator and let them know you support Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Urge them to stand with them, or to at least listen to what these two folks have to say.
  It probably wont do anything, but if we keep writing them (I write weekly) dropping their names, maybe they will take the fuckin hint

“Currently, there is no consensus on the face of the Democrat Party, as a majority of voters either give the title to AOC (26%) or simply say there is none (26%),” Co/efficient concluded.
Never heard of Co/efficient, but “Democrat Party” is a bit of a red flag. From mediabiasfactcheck:
FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 20 polls by co/efficient, earning 0.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are Mixed Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling moderately favors the Right with a score of -2.7, which equates to a Right-Center polling bias. In general, co/efficient is considered moderately accurate and demonstrates a right-leaning bias in polling.
- MBFC gives The Guardian and Breitbart equivalent ratings for factuality, which is patently ridiculous
  It's not a reliable gauge of anything, and it's harmful to trust its rankings
  
  Who fact checks the fact checkers?
  
  All of those sites are right-wing propaganda operations. Every single one of them.
  Factual news is almost always going to be liberal biased. Sites like these encourage journalists to bias their news stories to the right for no good reason.
  I'm surprised so many people are falling for this.
- However, co/efficient also states that it provides research for mostly Republicans, such as Gregory Steube (R-FL)
- How does Media Bias Fact Check assess the work done by Fivethirtyeight that they do not have access to as fivethirtyeight does not publish it?
  Also are we teally accepting Fivethirtyeight as a good source anymore?
  
  Isn't 538 mostly just an aggregator of other polls?
- Democrat Party
  This "red flag" is meaningless to people broke the age of 50 or so. I am a Democrat. I vote for the candidate who is a Democrat. Obama was a Democrat.
  I don't have time to get pissy over the difference between the noun and the adjective. If that's all the points they can score on us, they are welcome to them.
  The review by 538 is a much more important judgement.
  
  This “red flag” is meaningless to people broke the age of 50 or so. I am a Democrat. I vote for the candidate who is a Democrat. Obama was a Democrat.
  I get it man. I'm over 50 too and my team is the White Sox. I support the White Sox no matter that. Whats important in sports is that you support the team of your home town. Sure they were the worst team in 2024 and not entertaining to watch. Doesnt matter.
  Anyone who writes scathing articles of the sox pathetic performance in the newspaper is wrong and disloyal, and is missing the whole point of sports. Its not about celebrating human athleticism and competition in striving to to be the best a human can be, its about adherence and loyalty to the corporation who owns your local team.
  Adherence to your political party is similar. Government is not about advancing or serving society, its about eating rotten scraps off the floor and being grateful for having that much.

Water is wet. Wasn't this obvious when the DNC kingmakers, I mean, leadership decided to boot her out of a key committee position with a person that that could have passed for a republican and retired after getting the position? A poll was needed to see this?
- Water isn’t wet. What touches water is wet.
  
  Water touches other water therefore water is wet. If you isolated a single molecule of H2O, that water would not be wet. However, it is nearly impossible to do this, hence it would be the exception and not the norm.
  This argument isn't profound, it's just short sighted.
  
  And water doesn't touch water?
  
  Water is wet, and pendants are annoying rather than clever.
  
  If you have an amount of water that can be divided, it touches other water. Therefore water is wet unless it is a single molecule
  
  Things with hydrogen in it are wet.

Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.
AOC should just make a new party.
- No, we don't have time for that. We just have to do a tea party on the Democratic party... Which is what she's been doing
  They do have to go, but we're keeping the house and the dog
  
  The Tea Party of the Left is what we needed back in the Obama days, better late than never.
  
  That's why I never believed in the rhetoric of "it's too late to consider 3rd party!" before the elections. Here it is just 6 months later and "we don't have time for that". Is it disingenuous then to just say there will never be time for that, like it is being implied here?
  edit: just saw your other comments, I hope your DNC-tea party plan works with some effect. It's harder for those who have voted for decades for a party that just isn't responsive to the citizens so we'll see I suppose.
- You're not really disagreeing. AOC is perceived as the face of the democratic party and it's true. She's at least offering consistent resistance while the feckless leadership of the party does nothing but line their pockets and ensure 100 percent unconditional support of Israel to the determient of all else.
  I don't even disagree with your conclusions necessary, if it's impossible to dislodge Pelosi and Schumer. But building a party from scratch is really fucking hard. Hijacking one might be easier.
- They're going to stay there making bank off of insider trading until they're so ancient someone accidentally walks through and disperses the dust cloud known as Pelosi, and they finally decide they have enough money to reach supply-side Jesus.
  
  Just insider trading? Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point. Greed itself is our new overlord, business ethics are dead and rotting.
- State level electoral reform, allowing more then two political parties to be viable.
- Surely 3rd party will work this time!
  
  You're right. We need to get real. Those who support Democrats are just throwing their votes away. At this point, the Democratic Party has proven itself utterly incapable of winning a national election. Voting for Democrats is throwing your vote away. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Republican. We need to focus on real political parties like the Working Families Party that actually have a vision that they're trying to fight for. Democrats don't believe in anything. Democrats don't even care about winning elections. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for MAGA. Centrists may not like voting for a progressive candidate, but they need to get over themselves. If centrists want to vote for Democrats, they're choosing Fascism over Democracy.
  
  Potentially with local elections first. Build it up from the ground up.
  Not like the Green Party and Jill Stein's goofy ass.
- "MAKE A NEW PARTY!11111!!1"
  That's not how America works. Only Democrats and Republicans can actually get elected at the level AOC plays at, because the electoral college only recognizes Democrats and Republicans.
  
  The Whigs are still on the ballot then, right? Since no new parties are ever made, and third parties can never win, it's still Democratic-Republicans vs the Whigs in 2025, clearly.

Are they... Still considering Harris for 2028??? What? Please god. Make it stop. Please.
- It's.
  Her.
  Turn.
  
  "It's my turn." was everything wrong with Hillary's campaign in a nut shell.
  How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you're running against Trump? That shouldn't be possible.
- HRC
  
  Take your up vote and go think about what you did.
  
  Praise the lawd!

Ocasio-Cortez was far ahead of other listed Democrats. Coming in a distant second was close ally Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT). The pair recently went to various states with their Fighting Oligarchy tour. Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) placed third in the survey with 8%.
Former Vice President Kamala Harris came in fourth with 6%. Following her was Pete Buttigieg with 5%, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) with 5%, Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) with 4%, and California Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) with 2%.
Why did they list the percentage for all of these people, but not for Bernie's second place position?
That is a rhetorical question.
I was going to calculate his percentage but 26 + 26 + 22 + 8 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 2 is 98%. Did they lump Bernie in with 'other'?
- and California Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) with 2%.
  Looks like Newsom will be the candidate for 2028 then...
  
  Crockett has suggested the major donors have lined up behind a straight white guy
- The survey they cite has Bernie at 12%, so I'm not sure what method they did to allow for more than 100% - maybe you could choose more than one answer?
  
  Oh, the link underlining was subtle enough that I didn't see it.
  Yeah, they must have allowed for more than one for the numbers to add up.
- For the same reason they DIDN'T EVEN MENTION he was a candidate half the time the media mentioned the primaries were happening despite him being in 1st or second at those times.
  
  The rich would never allow a President Sanders. They have too much to lose.

DNC: "Ewwww a progressive? We wouldn't be as rich with a progressive in charge!"

I’ve been saying for about 5 years, maybe better, that she is the person I am most excited to vote for as president of the United States one day.
I don’t even have another name in mind.
I will be as happy to vote for her as I was for Sanders in the primaries, twice. I legit can’t wait.
- How about Jasmine Crockett? I hope between the two of them, they start inspiring and generating tons more to go into politics.
  
  Hope Crockett gets to be gov of texas... She reminds me of Ann Richards in all the best ways. She'd make a great president too.
- Jasmine Crockett seems to be "AOC but sarcastic".

She's one of only half a handful of Dems that sound ready to lead people into battle. The difference between how she uses knowledge and intelligence to speak to people is in stark comparison to Trump sounding exactly like he has dementia. She listens and responds. Trump just keeps interrupting any question he doesn't like. Fuck you Maga. Fuck you entirely. You god damn idiots.

I still have to lol about how the stupid qons tried to use her dancing in university as some kind of BAD thing.
Back when Denver Post still had a comment section and they'd allow gifs, and if the topic was AOC, I'd post her dancing. A few of the local wingnuts would try to get me banned/my posts removed over it, esp. if one of the qanon mods was on-duty...
She's the best. Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing is anyone's guess, but that sure as fuck blew up in their faces....
- So let me get this straight: somehow just dancing is somehow worse than drinking beers in fraternities and raping?
  
  She's a woman with a will of her own, that's enough for anyone on the Right to hate her.
  What I really can't stand though is when they try to pretend she's dumb. I mean when we on the Left call Trump a moron, we can actually point to things he did and said. When they try to paint AOC as an airhead, they mostly just repurpose old blonde jokes to be about AOC, there's never anything she actually did or said that they bring up.
  Ever notice that?
  God I'm glad I don't use facebook anymore
  
  She committed the sin of being a woman
  
  Apparently 🤷‍♀️
  
  She's a woman and a POC to boot, so....it's rather self-evident that anything she does is going to be worse.
  I think even for the most idiotic of maga, they realized that trying to trash her for dancing was not really getting much traction. Especially among cishet men with eyes? Just sayin'. XD
  I think the same thing for trashing her for things like being working class - they were trying that on for a while and that seems to backfire, too. Same goes for some big mic drop attempt they try when they call her "Sandy" in some kind of qnut point about how she had a nickname during high school and/or university? ZOMG! /clutches pearls You are saying she went by the name of Sandy, danced, and worked as a bartender? QED, then, I guess. 🤣
- I don't get it neither, let's turn it the other way: why would anyone want to vote for someone/something that doesn't show basic human emotions and doesn't have fun?
  
  well Trump shows the basic emotion of love but for money only
  
  I still laugh to myself when I think of them legitimately hoping they had the bombshell of the century when the "mic drop" of her dancing from college days was released.
  I think most people just saw that and thought it was completely normal and it just highlighted how fucking weird and awful people like Tucker were. I think many normies saw it and thought that the qnuts were just sending this to everyone and effectively saying - "holy shit, do you see how HAWT this woman is?" - because whatever message they were attempting by sending this to everyone and trying to make it go viral for some other reason was probably lost on all but the most uptight puritans in the xtian Taliban.
  I think normal Americans probably thought something along the lines of - wow, she's incredibly articulate, delivers a message really well, is obviously well-versed in issues that matter to her constituency, AND is also incredibly attractive, knows how to dance and obviously was having fun making this video? What's the problem these weirdo qnuts have with that?
  BTW, we need to go back to a concerted campaign of calling conservatives and Republicans WEIRD. Because they fucking are.
- AOC dancing and having fun is somehow anti-American and full blown socialism, according to Republicans.
- Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing
  Because she's leading moral and dignified Christian men into sin!
  It's not my fault / I'm not to blame / It is the gypsy girl / The witch who sent this flame / It's not my fault / If in God's plan / He made the devil so much / Stronger than a man

Coming in a distant second was close ally Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT). The pair recently went to various states with their Fighting Oligarchy tour. Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) placed third in the survey with 8%.
Former Vice President Kamala Harris came in fourth with 6%. Following her was Pete Buttigieg with 5%, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) with 5%, Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) with 4%, and California Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) with 2%.
LOL, Chuck Schumer didn't even place. That gives me a little hope.
- If Chuck Schumer placed I would know that the end is nigh.
  
  Agreed, but let's take a moment to recognize that he is the highest ranked Democrat in the country, and the fact that no one sees him as the face of the party should be humiliating for him.
  
  You might have to send a stern letter then!
- I keep forgetting he's a Democrat

I would prefer a new party, but I'm glad that she and Bernie are still out there.
- Sanders isn't a Democrat, and I agree with his recent message that young left-minded people going into politics should follow his lead and stay independent.
  
  You can also choose "no party" as a voter. Idk how that affects voting in primaries, depending on the state you live in... but it's an option as well
  Edit: missed the part about "going into politics", which kinda changes the dynamic of my statement... but still, it's an option for voters that aren't going into politics
- What's funny is I was almost going to call Sanders out for, absolutely looking too old for this shit. He's more competent than RFK.
  
  I've taken shits more competent than RFK, that's a pretty low bar.

Zero chance the DNC will run her. They'll give us another white bread, right of center, compromise candidate. The Overton window has shifted so far right we need to build a new wall to house it.
- Personally, I think it is too late to save the DNC. Best to start over in a better place.
  
  This is something I see come up a lot, but I think people are severely underestimating the amount of infrastructure that would be lost by "starting over." Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteers, etc. "Starting over" effectively means surrendering nearly every election on any scale larger than a municipality to MAGA Republicans for years while those networks are rebuilt and the country cannot survive that. We need more political parties, but unless and until a viable 3rd party emerges, we're stuck with what we've got and refusing to support the only non MAGA options at the ballot box will actively make the country worse.
  If you don't like it, help build that 3rd party and recruit candidates and donors to your cause (or try to shift the DNC and the Overton window back to the left). Until that's done there unfortunately isn't a better alternative.
  
  If Dems just move a little bit further to the right...
- Oh I fully expect Democrats to endorse Trump for a third term if the alternative is a real progressive.
- The Overton Window isn't real. Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate, rather than cowardly tailing the electorate like they're advertisers trying to sell a product.
  
  The Overton Window isn't real.
  Define real? There is certainly something in US politics that acts exactly like Overton Window.
  
  Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate
  Manufacturing consent? What ever happened to representative democracy?
  
  sounds extremely unlikely tho.

Funny what happens when you actually do something.

My concern is that now that Trump is in office and project 2025 is in full swing, that we will never see another fair election again.
- The crimson lining is that we might get to build a new United States, free of the GOP and DNC. The problem is the nature of that crimson.
  
  Is it really easier to imagine the end of the United States of America compared to voting outside the two party system?
- That's his obvious intention, yes.
  There's still some things that can go wrong for the fascists, but we're certainly on a trajectory towards eternal leader supreme chancellor Trump.
  
  When he dies they're just gonna make him into an LLM. He already ignores all previous instructions so he's laid the groundwork
- If you aren't a die hard democrat or republican, you have never in your lifetime had a fair election because of the artificial limitations imposed by First-past-the-post voting

and she is old enough for presidential nomination now. do it, aoc.
- The US is simply too misogynistic to elect a woman as president, especially a woman of color.
  The unfortunate reality is that our best bet for the White House is a progressive white man with AOC as VP.
  I believe that even AOC knows this.
  
  You will get Kamala or Gavin and you will like your Trump 3rd term. - Dems
  
  I don't think that's true tbh. The Dems have never managed to nominate a popular woman as their presidential candidate before. Clinton was almost universally disliked by the public (for lots of good reasons other than her gender), and ex-prosecutor Harris's campaign was hamstrung by Biden, as well as being seen as an other pro-corporate Democrat stooge. AOC might actually have a fighting chance compared to her predecessors. But she'll never be able to be the Democratic candidate until the old guard of leadership is replaced, let's face facts.
  
  You think we're still doing elections? I cherish your optimism
  
  You can’t say that because there is no reliable data to go off of. Kamala and Clinton were terrible candidates.

"And it's not even close"
She's in a statistical tie with "nobody".
- I dont think the electoral system allows for this "nobody" person to win. Maybe someone can change their legal name to "nobody".

The best part about it, is that the old-as-fuck Democrats hate it, which makes me love it all the more.
- Hopefully we get to tell them to get in line or they're a Trump lover at some point.
  After all the right-wing Neoliberals I've voted for over the years out of harm reduction to attempt to stop literal murderous fascists, it would be nice to see them eat some of that shit and vote for someone with ideals they loathe, win or lose.

She should distance herself from that sinking ship. It's like continuing CPR on a victim who is already dead. Yeah you're trying but ultimately it's no use. Both main parties have been so tarnished that even being associated with the name is a smudge on the record.
- I agree with you, but I also feel that AOC is what the Democratic party is supposed to be. She is not the status quo.
- I'm confident AOC could raise an impressive amount of campaigning money as a single senator. But, impressive enough to account for an entire party, taking seats in thousands of positions across hundreds of local districts? Much as I'd like it, I don't see how it can happen.
  I'd also like it if campaign money wasn't necessary, but 99% of America doesn't actively follow politics; it's needed to bring it to their doorstep. We've been covering the gap in things like Elon Musk's campaign funds via a lot of volunteer work, but that can only go so far.
- So just bury the head in the sand and let the world (or at least US) collapse (i.e. uncontrolled climate change, entire degradation of the social system to capitalism)?
  
  All of those are already happening with or without her in charge. One party actively wants all fo that, the other party doesn't fight it.

She's already 35. Run her.

She's one of like 3 US politicians that I don't just kind of low-key actively hate.
- tbf, the bar is so painfully low it is not even a tripping hazard.
  
  Democrats let the republicans set the bar so dems can look good when the bar is 6 feet under.
  
  Yeah far from a tripping hazard. For safety you need to have the utility companies mark the location of the bar before you start digging in the ground!

Her rally with Bernie was pretty electrifying. I can see how her polices might be polarizing to some, but damn she can get the working class support. Just gott keep the momentum up and get people to actually vote.
- Polarizing like a magnet. We'd have a force for good instead of a lesser evil. That's a lot better at getting people to the polls.

Please don’t fuck this up DNC! Embrace the change!
- Harris was supposed to be the one who'd get the Progressives excited and she got fewer votes than Biden did in 2020.
  
  WEIRD! I KNOW Progressives and they LOVE Bombing Children and KEEPING the Status Quo! It's so WEIRD they WOULDNT Vote for Harris!
  
  Harris was supposed to be the one who'd get the Progressives excited
  Well whoever thought of that was clearly a moron
  
  Backing a genocide and pretending like people weren't having financial issues just because the stock market was up didn't help much.
  She didn't have any progressive stances, why were they supposed to be excited about her?
  
  Why was she supposed to be? And why did she spend so much time on stage with conservative republicans trying to prove how middle of the road she was?
  
  Why would she have gotten progressives excited?
  
  She abandoned all her progressives positions early. I'm no political consultant, but I think thats usually not the best method to win over progressives. I dont think she planned on progressive support-- I think someone told her she could win some republicans and never have to talk to a progressives ever again.

"Democrat voters want leftist leadership"

She's one of the few democrats that I would vote for president.

I hope she will be successful in actually overtaking the party to some degree, as most high-ranking party members would certainly see that differently

I'd describe myself as a liberal more than a progressive, but it's obvious that she's become the most recognizable Democrat at the federal level. Other democrats simply have not been pushing back on the Republicans in the way that she has, and it's fucking baffling. My theory is that most politicians are really skilled at fundraising rather than building groundswell political movements and so they're just completely out of their element in this environment. I don't agree with all of the progressive platform, but we need more politicians with character like hers and fewer geriatrics who refuse to release their grip on power
- Other democrats simply have not been pushing back on the Republicans in the way that she has, and it's fucking baffling.
  It’s a lot less baffling if you consider the possibility that they never believed any of the shit they said about Trump being a threat to democracy, or if they did that part doesn’t bother them. It was Theater Time during the election and now it’s Cooperation Time, and actually you’re the extreme one for not just seamlessly switching modes!

For everyone except the ones in charge 🤷
- That’s one of the easier fixes IIRC.
  While DNC chairs have consolidated a great deal of power, have many ways to self-deal and dig-in using the bylaws (such as determining caucus partitions/schedules and being superdelegates for life) their position is subject to internal approval of DNC membership itself. That is, you can just fire them. You don’t have to wait for them to resign to call for their replacement.
  Regardless the committee is more like an HOA than a government body. They make suggestions and endorsements, host the convention, support candidacies strategically and financially, and threaten to take that away if you break rank. But they have no authority to say who runs, or even who runs as a Democrat.
  But most importantly, AOC has always been a grass roots candidate. It would be great to have DNC support, their backing and resources, but she’s never needed it before. I can’t imagine she wants it now.
  In fact, I think it’s far more likely that the DNC will one day ask her to endorse them.

Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) placed third in the survey with 8%.
I like Miss Crockett. She's impressed me over the last couple of years.

Aoc 2028
- She'll clobber Donald Trump, Jr.
  
  Bold of you to assume it will be a fair election.

So "AOC not even close" with 26% but Kamala Harris + Pete Buttigieg + Hakeem Jeffries + Cory Booker + Gavin Newsom = 22%. And that 26% has almost guaranteed the 8% of Crockett and the 12% of Sanders. So 26 + 12 + 8 = 46% but "not even close".
- I don't know half the people you mentioned
  
  well at least you own up to your ignorance, more than we can say for most.
  
  They get a lot of AIPAC money for ads in their district. Outside of it they have no name.
- The headline means "AOC is seen as the leader of the Dems and nobody is even close to her".
  The DNC chair is not usually an elected congressperson, and AOC is absolutely not looking for that job. They're just talking about the person people think about as the leader.

There is no more Democratic Party.

All the rest have their noses in donors assess rn. We can't even see their faces!

Please, we need her.

Well afaik she’s the only one doing a nationwide campaign at the moment

Dude before trump was there a "face of x party"? That sounds like populist crap.
- It kinda is. Dems are short on leaders though. The enemy of good is perfect
- Trump is the Republican party now, once he's gone they are over
  
  Unless "They" can groom a suitable successor in time. I hear Baron is lurking in the shadows with an interest in politics.

We could do so much worse!
- We will do so much worse. AOC lost a committee seat race to a guy with terminal cancer who is dead four months after taking the position.
  The people might love her, but the party hates her. AOC has no future in the modern Democratic party.
  
  Well... Yeah, that's why we're taking it over. What do you think all the tours and rallies are for? The fight is on, actual progressives and opportunity chasers are positioning themselves for it... It's happening
  It's tea party time
  
  Weird place to find out about Connolly, but I know now.
  
  The people might love her, but the party hates her.
  Not even after she voted to prevent the rail unions from striking? I guess she just was never gonna be a part of the big club no matter what ideals she compromised on.
  
  If the dinosaurs didn’t like AOC, they aren’t going to like Rep. Crockett either. And I love them both. Time to clean house of the old guard.

I have said this elsewhere, but i will not again vote for the Democratic Party until they actually put up progressive candidates. Not pinky swear to pass progressive policy. That means the candidates has to have a provable history of struggling against the Democratic Party to pass progressive policy. There are only two i know of and that’s Bernie Sanders (who is too old for the presidency), and AOC. Else it’s third party until the democrats learn better.
- I will vote for the democrats if I am able to transfer my vote after my real choices dont win. Best get on that electoral reform blue states.
  
  I will vote against genocide, even if it means voting for a lesser amount of genocide. I'll never vote "no preference" on genocide.
- because nothing says America wants left wing government more clearly than electing the republicans!
  
  That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn't belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.

A note on this survey is that it was taken of all likely voters, so it's possible it could be influenced by conservatives being, let's say, not very normal about her. Regardless, people on both sides often see the Democratic party much further left than it really is.

Only downside of her as president would be not beeing named Lisa ...

So the Dems are running the campaign for JD Vance now? Wow, easiest election ever

I can understand why she is.

No shit. The rest of them have their head's in the ground.

Primaries should do it, then you just have to make sure the superdelegates don't ruin the result...

Who's the heel and when are they going to have a no-holds-barred cage match on PPV?

If she jettisons neoliberalism and takes a stand against genocide and imperialism she could begin to make a difference.
- Is she supposed to physically go to any genocide or potential genocide and fix it? I'm not sure that's the case. I'm really not sure she's "pro genocide". I could be wrong, but given her history of advocacy I would have to be VERY wrong.
  
  Considering the words that came from her mouth I’d say you are. JFC. And way to strawman.

What's Elizabeth Warren been up to lately? That's who I'd vote for of I were American.
- She's been busy shouting about all the wrong parts of crypto to regulate and then not doing anything about any of it.

I feel like this is actually what republicans want. Feels like they want another minority woman to run right into them again. She’s wonderful but it feels like political sabotage.
- Nobody liked Hillary or Kamala before they ran. It was them becoming the front-runner that forced to party to turn about face on them. AOC on the otherhand... Is beloved