As a 14-year long user, the new Fisher Price UI makes me sad :( What have they done to you, Reddit?

Wow that's pretty horrible.

It's amazing what you miss due to 10 years of browsing with RIF and RES as mandatory installs

"miss"

Digg redesign vibes

The day that digg launched that new design was the last day I ever logged into that site. Why do people fuck up things that work?
- Things that work aren't profitable (enough). A thing that works is good for expanding customer base. A thing that almost works is good for profit per customer base. The thing is... A thing that works and is sustainable to maintain provides the most long term profits. There's no legal requirement a company grow in scope, but most investors (both in small and large companies) see that as the only way. Reddit has been operating on an unsustainable business model. Their core feature set is simple. Their userbase was loyal, and willing to pay for Reddit gold to directly keep the website running. The holes in their sustainability were a huge staff to develop features to grow their customer base despite no one wanting or asking for those features, a terrible ad model that left money on the table by not putting ads where they'd have the most effect (why did I always get Ford ads on r/FuckCars, never Taco Bell ads on r/ShittyFoodPorn, no small online stationary shops on r/FountainPens?) and not returning ads in API calls, and finally an API model that went from free to impossible to justify overnight. But no one on the board of directors is interested in a business that consistently makes money over the long term. They want to make as much money as possible all in one go.
  
  Let me ask you this. Which is better? To run a small coffee roaster that employs 8 people and serves coffee through one physical shop and one online store front to a loyal fan base by serving a high quality product in small batches, or to be massive coffee company, shadowed in scale only by Starbucks and Peets, but going into bankruptcy because you can't keep up with Starbucks and Peets? I'd take the consistent sustainable business every time, but too many people want to be the big winner with the bankrupt company, and the result is the small investors, the ones who bought into the big coffee company, or Reddit, end up holding the bag while the people who took their money deploy their golden parachutes
- Designers want to get promoted, or get good bonuses for having impact. Product Managers are similarly incentivized to make changes, to improve some metric that they believe helps their business. If these structures exist, and the people making changes don't understand what the users want, or their incentives are misaligned... it's inevitable
- Yep, same here.
- Why do people fuck up things that work?
  
  Depends on what you mean by "work". If by "work" you mean is enjoyable to use, I understand. If by "work" you mean sustains a business, then no.
That was my first thought as well

I think Reddit doesn’t realize that what made their UI so appealing was precisely that it felt really functional and bare bones, like Craigslist still does or Google used to. As if it was designed by nerds who just wanted the most functional site. It makes it seem more trustworthy and neutral, less monetized.

This redesign looks painfully corporate.

I used RIF for the longest time and I just can't with the official app. It's already awful and if that's what the website looks like now then the app will have a worse UI soon.
- You guys are still using Reddit?
  
  Also i need talklittle to either port rif or make it open source so we can port it ourselves ;-;
Topics on the side. "Gaming, Sports, Business, Crypto..." Reddit trying really hard to pretend it's not just around for porn and memes. Also, crypto lol. Tech bro a little harder, spez.
- And celeb gossips.
  
  Sigh.
- Dude idk crypto was fucking DROWNING r/all for a long time, maybe still is I eventually blocked it, so I get why they added it. And I think the type of person who would stick around on reddit or start now would still be into/interested in starting crypto.
  
  I hope it is obvious that is not a compliment.
- Yeah, that really feels like there is a huge disconnect with their core user-base 🤦🏻‍♂️
- True, at this point they might as well rebrand to PM&C: porn, memes and crypto
I think when companies that originally offered something unique and desirable get large enough, they necessarily lose touch with what made them indispensable. Dollar signs lead to a notion of growth that summons a many-tentacled cocaine-caked Moloch of feature creep, tech bandwagon hopping, information siloing, data harvesting, advertiser worshiping, and corporate evil that is, at best, indifferent to user experience, but more typically actively antagonistic to it.
We are no longer their target audience, they don't care what made it appealing to us. They are trying to position themselves as being the same as YouTube, Instagram, Facebook.

At first glance I thought it was youtube.

Is the old.reddit.com still usable or is that fucked up too?

old.reddit.com is still kickin it. No talk I've heard of to get rid of it yet. The second it's gone I'm gone.
- In case you didn't know and for everyone else that prefers the old UI there is a clone for lemmy.
  
  https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym
  
  lemmy.world has it installed at https://old.lemmy.world. The creator has it running at https://mlmym.org/ for other instances that don't have it installed.
- Old Reddit is Reddit. If they get rid of it, I'm sure as fuck not sticking around for this new site. It looks like Bing and Youtube had a deformed little monster-child.
It seems they recently fucked up something with i.redd.it handling - opening image links from old reddit always redirects to https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/media/nice_hat/ for a few days now.
- No that's intentional. They no longer allow direct i.redd.it image linking, it forces a redirect to a landing page that is either old.reddit if you're logged in and force it, or new reddit with a "get the app, doofus" nag screen for anyone not logged in.
  
  They didn't want anyone using Reddit as an image hosting service or - God forbid! - viewing Reddit content without delivering every ounce of their personal data and ad revenue to Spez.
yeah same here... I was like, youtube has text posts now?
- Text posts on YouTube are pretty nice though. I like that people can post channel updates like saying there's gonna be a delay on a video or something without having to film and post a video to do so.

Bro what in the msn.com is this

Hahaha

If it was Fischer-Price, it would be colorful. This is just the sort of bland, generic website UI you see everywhere

Remember, people complained Windows XP was a Fisher-Price OS. I don't think this redesign will affect Reddit long-term, unfortunately.
- Honestly, I would take the look of Windows XP over the look of Windows 10/11 or current MacOS. Of course, I'm on Linux, so I actually can do that
Ie. An easily censorable ui, it's for Chinese interests.

the nostupidquestions post is so extremely stupid lmao

Probably AI generated
- It's not. It's a common mathematical fallacy stumbled upon by crackpots who think they're geniuses and have found a fundamental problem with math.
  
  There's a math professor at Harvard who gets sent this "proof" like once a month.
Yeah, am I the only one who wants to track down that post and tell them how stupid they are?
- I'd rather not use Reddit anymore

She's dead. Move on, friend

The fact that crypto is listed on the side makes me wanna bump my head on the wall.

The whole thing in general looks like a mobile app stretched to fit on a monitor. I mean, that's how most websites are in 2023.

A lot of apps are also just web wrappers for a mobile site.... It's obvious with some apps, others are a bit harder to see, but it's there.

Low effort app developing.
funnily enough, it literally fucking is, this was originaly their mobile site.

Hard to build a good looking website with just 2000 employees

The worst part is that the Lemmy photon ui (m.lemmy.zip) is also modern looking, just way more practical (also has settings to make it less padded)

Legit thought you were on YouTube.

It looks like a news site from 2012, and it actually looks like it's trying to imitate digg lol
Seriously me too!! I was paying more attention to the TV show I was watching and was wondering what was so remarkable about the same old YouTube layout. I had to wait for it to end to really look at the picture DAYUMN it looks like YouTube. Wtf reddit what a weird thing to copy
- Almost like when they replaced the reddit app with one that looked just like Instagram. Reddit has no originality I guess.

Looks like they copied youtubes front page.

I absolutely thought this was YouTube.

Wtf.

If pages like this don't tell you "What's Hot" how the fuck do you propose we find out what is hot?
- Ask Paris Hilton
I was thinking Yahoo

O_o

So stop using it. Ffs, this place circle jerks over how bad that place is, and then you dumb mother fuckers keep going back. Move on already.

Eh. it's one thing always talking about Reddit in more general communities, but this is a Reddit community.
The magazine is called ‘Reddit’.. what are you doing here if you’re tired of hearing about it?
- Getting news about Reddit and ideally its downfall is why I'm here. Reading people complain about it and then turn around and support it is not. Initially I subbed to this right after I left to see what was happening without going back. Now it's often just a bunch of idiots jerking each other off while redditing.
I haven't been back since June 12th so I get what you're saying but the name of this mag is reddit, it seems like an appropriate place to talk about it.
What? I will always use reddit as long as it has good content that I can't find elsewhere. Still spend lots of time here to help Lemmy grow and make it eventually get better than reddit.
Oh, believe me, my usage has dropped by around 95%

that looks like youtube. is that how non old.reddit looks like?

Well at least it's better than the previous layout that squished everything into the center and had a ton of dead space on the sides.

It looks like YouTube now. But with text. lol

Precisely what it reminded me of, I think the way they should've gone is modernising the way they show dozens of post per scroll.

LOL. They went full Digg. I abandoned Digg for Reddit, and now Reddit for Lemmy.

same. slashdot to digg, digg to reddit, now reddit to lemmy.
- Usenet to digg, digg to reddit, reddit to lemmy.
  
  Oh, I never stopped using usenet 😅
- I skipped the digging part of that, thank God.
  
  Before Slashdot was Yahoo though. Remember when it was a basic search engine, then they made it "your home on the internet" or some shit and homepage was cluttered? This is what reddit reminds me of
Same here, oh well
- Same here
I went 4chan, Imgur, Reddit, Squabblr, and now Lemmy. Been a hell of a ride
Same. Bonus, I also abandoned Fark for Digg.

This is the third time I've watched a fantastic service shit it's pants in public.

JFC that’s hilariously hideous. Well done spez you fucking wank stain

it’s facebook….

You don’t show full posts because then your team gets to count an ‘active’ user when people click to expand.

Metrics becoming the goal 101 and active user growth is important to get investors to hold the bag for your VCs. Every action right now, that the VC money is getting scarce is aimed at making Reddit look like a profitable target for street investors so your VCs can cash out. Doesn’t matter if what you do isn’t sustainable, because you are the VCs removed now and they want their payout before you crash and burn.

Remember when they hid NSFW content from r/all and they said they would add a new filter that did contain the content?

Now you can't even select r/all from the drop down menu on their app. You have to open the sidebar, scroll all the way to the bottom, then select it. No way of setting it as the default. Classic algorithm push for advertisers.

Tbf r/all sucks balls and I don’t go there anymore. I come here.
That's sucks. Left after 10 years. I almost always browsed /all and just set up filters. Tons of filters.
- I miss the random porn sprinkled in with my news and memes.

they are becoming Digg 3.0

yup. glad I left, what a trashfire.

GREAT WORK SPEZ YOU DIPSHIT
- ....is your handle a PowerPuff Girls reference? Take my upvote.

The stupidity of the post is so attractive though. Perfect nerd click bait.

Tbf it was actually a lot less stupid than the average "nostupidquestions"
It looks like typo and then just keeps going with it.
- You mean 14 year-long user of Fisher Price products? :3

Alright which reddit dev just found out about inspect elements? Dude straight up went to youtube, pressed F12 and started copy pasting lol.

I thought as soon as I opened it are they trying to look sexy to Google and how easy they can adapt or something

What the ever-living fuck is this bullshit? I'm glad I abandoned Reddit before they started this bullshit.

At least Old Reddit is still available. Right? I think? But for how long?

It is available, for now. I refuse to use reddit's terrible mobile app, so when they kill old.reddit.com I'll be gone for good.
Only a matter of time before they squash that, it has very little ads.
It is still available
- For now...

Honestly, I think the UI looks okay. I dislike the trending boxes which makes my brain think they are ads.

it's because they will be mixing in some ads there after a while.

They’re turning it into a magazine - wonder when they’ll add personalisation algo

It's already there, no ? They suggest content in my frontpage from subreddit I'm not subscribed to.
- Oh yeah? I’ve never used the main app/site
After tiktok, all these social media companies want you to endlessly scroll

Fuck Reddit and all, but old.reddit.com if you MUST go there.

I wonder how long it'll be until they shut down old reddit.

I read this as "As a 14 year old user" and thought that was an impressive Fisher Price reference for a 14 year old lol

LOL I originally did draft it that way when I was submitting, but changed it so it didn't sound like I was 14!

Why does this image remind me of Quora?

Oh dear god, we don't need two Quoras!

I legit thought this was a parody.

Reddit has been Digging themselves a grave and it's both hilarious and tragic. How fucking stupid of a user generated content farm to shoot themselves in the foot and actively antagonize the people that made the site relevant. Top tier dipshittery.

Doing a Digg would have involved removing the old version of the site.

Literally the only advantage of New Reddit is the fancy-pants editor, which isn't even available on their fucking official app.

Even Sync on Lemmy has better support for rich text editing.

On my machine it doesn’t even take up the whole window. The left column is pushed out to the right, giving less space for actual content. Do they have UX engineers? This is very bad, especially when you can go to the old site and get a ton more info on one page instantly.

At first when they changed the layout I thought it was to try and mimic a mobile phone kind of layout, portrait instead of landscape sort of, to make it identical on pc and phone. Not that it made sense then, But they’re pushing everyone to their shite app so it makes even less sense now.
Is this perhaps to lower backend requests, while forcing users to scroll more? I hate the amount of scrolling needed on the phone sometimes. 🤔

Looks like Yahoo! in ca. 2002.

Lol I just posted another reply before reading this with basically the exact same thing.
- So it's true then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Looks like one of those clickbait content websites that pop up on social media. I guess this is what you get when everything is aimed at ad revenue and short term profit. Next logical step, sell the thing to some corpo while is still relevant.

This is why old.lemmy.world is a godsend.

I thought so too, but I prefer a.lemmy.world at the moment, very similar to old. in that lots of post visible, but with some good QoL improvements, suchs as posts sliding in from the side, dark colors. icons instead of text, nice infinite scrolling.

Neither has a button for the crosspost functionality which kinda sucks.

Don't insult Windows XP by comparing it to this trash.

this is the (relatively) new sh.reddit.com ui (which is now the default for logged off users; it's actually much lighter then new reddit and doesn't use much js and barely has any tracking), logging in should grant you access to new.reddit.com; and of course good old old.reddit.com is always there (install RES; hit Shift+X to expand images)

I don't know. I think this new Facebook UI looks about the same as it was before. Oh, this is Reddit? lol

Wait, that's the front page? At first I thought it was an individual post page and the complaint was more about all the things surrounding the post. Instead, they take up almost the entire screen to show a single post?

yes, that's the plain vanilla logged out experience of reddit.com w/ a private browsing window

Wow that is worse than i expected

first i thought i watching YouTube

Eww, I have a plugin to automatically go to old.reddit, so I didn't know they changed it again and made it even worse!

Can you share the plugin name?
- Old reddit redirect.

old.reddit.com still works for me

So many ads. It's like every fourth post is actually an ad.

Yikes.
- uBlock works on those
- I block the ads, pretty decent experience imo
You just think it does
- What doesn't work with that view?
I have noted that RES never-ending Reddit seems to have been borked, with duplicate posts appearing both sides of the page break. I'm running ublock origin and pihole which might contribute to it.
- I've noticed the same. Annoying, but better than the alternative. It also stops my non-stop scrolling so that's a positive side effect lol

What have you done to reddit?

Well, much. But in the end i just left without a trace after 12 years.

UI is the smallest of all problem about Reddit right now

Which is saying a lot given that the UI is atrocious

Another to be glad I stopped using reddit.

Okay, so does anyone wanna talk about the math thingy in the post?

They jump from 0.99999... = 1 to 0.99999... = 1 - 1 in the step where they introduce the limit, because the value of the limit they wrote is 1, not the 0 they probably thought it was. So the whole thing is a crapshoot from the start - functionally no different from setting up 1 = 1 - 1, simplifying to 1 = 0, and claiming you broke math
If it started: 0.999... = 1 - lim(1/n) then maybe we can talk, but I have no idea where 0.999... = 1 - lim(1 - 1/n) comes from, that's just incorrect
According to math 0.999=1??? Who is this guy’s math dealer?
- That part's real - not for 0.999 but for 0.999... (repeating). The classic proof goes:
  
  Let x = 0.999999...
  
  Then multiply both sides by 10. You now have:
  
  10x = 9.999999.....
  
  Now subtract the first equation from the second equation. You get:
  
  10x - x = 9.999999... - 0.999999...
  
  9x = 9
  
  Then divide by 9 to complete the proof:
  
  x = 1
- You can't find another number that fits between those 2 numbers... therefore they are the same.
Not really
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...

Seen here.

Reminds me of Digg. They turned into a very pretty ghost town.

As someone who used the site for almost as long (don't know the exact length) how is this just now the thing that bothers you? Reddit has been consistently declining in quality for at least 6 years now if not even longer. What year did they stop showing the upvote and downvote count? That was the first in what became a long line of quality downgrades

We used 3th party apps that still had all those features and didnt look like shit hehe
- I hear you. I'm sure that helped a lot, but also policy changes and just in general content also declined quite a bit. The overall "vibe" of the site and user......IMO anyway

Wow they seriously did me a favor by kicking me off the site.

Reminds me of yahoo back in the day. Tons of shit on the screen with no actual substance.

I mean if I wanted to say something positive, I actually like it more than their previous "new age" UI, but mostly because unlike that one, this no longer lags as badly. It's still way too much JS and way too large images, but at least it feels they found a single web dev or something and let them do an hour of work.

Design is a subjective thing, I don't like it but I also didn't like the one of the previous one so that's a wash. But at least this one works somewhat better.

Yeah I am just having a look on my phone and it runs smoother than the "old new" design for me. The "classic" view it defaults to isn't bad either.

It does not show the OP on the front page until you go into the comments or a subreddit, and for whatever reason has the comments button open a new tab which I don't like.

With a few tweaks, I'd hapilly use it if I had to. I'd always prefer old reddit's design though.

I loved the old school forum style when I joined. It looks like facebook or what I imagine Facebook looks like these days. I don’t know who this design is for, but it’s not for me.

It kind of looks like Google’s stuff (Drive, Email) which to be honest is starting to feel dated.

Worse than I could imagine lol.

I've always opted out of the new design in settings

Called it: https://lemmy.zip/post/1239944

@bestonecrazy English1•

What a fucking disgrace. Barf.

Super dumb question, is it possible to switch UI's on reddit? I think on lemmy is (?) 😗

You can still use the old UI, by adding old to the reddit link: old.reddit.com

That feature will probably be gone soon tho
- Thanks!!
yeah there are three uis:

sh.reddit.com - default for logged off users, mostly works without js, uses simpler pagination system then new reddit.

new.reddit.com - the most bloated one, painfully slow, tracks your every move even with ublock, only accessible for logged in users after the recent update

old.reddit.com - good ol' old reddit ui, don't really like it but it's... bearable unlike new reddit (loads instantly). With some CSS userstyles and scripts it's still usable...
- Than*

Is there any way to undo that? I don't visit reddit that often but when I do I'd rather be able to see

Eeewww

There is an awesome 'old rexxit' theme for lemmy, ask your favourite instance admin to install it (I don't know the proper name but they should be able to figure it out). I honestly forget I'm not on the old site sometimes.

I found myself on Reddit by way of Google the other day while looking for an answer to a niche question. I noticed that whatever post I clicked on opened in a new window (on mobile). Maybe it's just been that long, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember this being the default behavior. Reddit's other shenanigans aside, any site that seems to use target="_blank" for every link has definitely lost my eyeballs.

I fell the opposite, if I'm on a link aggregator, I always want to open links in another tab so I don't lose my place like I often do when clicking back

They redesigned it similar to old reddit and lemmy? Wow I can not believe it took years to do it. I really like how it looks on a mobile (I use Boost anyway) and yet to see desktop version.

I actually really like the redesign. It looks very modern to me, and the website feels a great deal more responsive.

I think you're fucking stupid... And / or spez
- Well he has a point. It looks cleaner overall. But old.reddit is so much more information-dense that I happily accepted a 20 years old ui. Also rip subreddit css.
- It is a lot faster and cleaner. Just my opinion, it's an improvement over the laggy mess of a website they have right now with bloated JavaScript.
  
  Anyways, have a good one.

Am I the only one who likes this? It's much better than New Reddit and Old Reddit.

If I hadn't left yet, this would prompt me to leave
- Hahaha
I'm sure you're not alone, but IMO, most of the people on Lemmy are here because they don't like this, and don't like things like this.

I was a long time old.reddit.com user, because even the new interface was really terrible. I couldn't browse comments correctly, after two or three there would be some promoted or related post and I'd have to squint to find the "show more comments" button... It became a cesspool of turds, all cross-linked and bound together in nonsensical ways. 90% of what made Reddit great IMO, was the discussion on every post. The diversity of opinions, additional information, analysis and opinions from every walk of life.... It was glorious.

Karma removed was prevalent but if you dug through what was posted in the comments, you could see just about any point of view on something.

By comparison, this is clickbait rainbow vomit.
- I'm not necessarily saying the content of the picture is ideal, I just think there's something to be said for clean interfaces that aren't jam packed with text.
You also hang your TP backwards, don't you?!

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, a time to reap that which is planted;

How can you expect something like a social media website, so recently conceived, to persist in its present form so long? Everything changes so fast. Remember when televisions were these big boxes and there were only three channels?

Televisions have improved. Reddit has not.
Excuse me, but, what the hell are you talking about?

What's all this stuff about plants?

"Flat panel" TVs have been a thing for almost three decades. Reddit was doing just fine until "new" Reddit became a thing and it steadily declined into insanity... More than a decade into it's success, they redesigned it and in less than half the time it took them to build the site up, they've driven a large number of users off with their insane choices.

Look, the only reason that Reddit hasn't collapsed is because of the 80/20 rule in business, applied to Reddit it would be that 80% of the activity on the site is coming from 20% of the userbase. A LARGE chunk of that 20% has jumped ship, either to Lemmy or somewhere else. So they're staying afloat on the 80% of lurkers and low value users, plus a small group of people too dedicated to Reddit, or too stubborn to believe it's sinking.

Reddit has been around for ~15 years, and 2/3rda of that time was building something, and in the last 1/3rd, they wrecked it. That's a long long time for something as prominent as Reddit to be around. And this will not be a quick death for them. It will take many years before spez realizes how badly he's fucked himself. By the time he does, everyone will be deeply engrained in wherever they landed.
- All fair points, but
  
  what the hell are you talking about? What's all this stuff about plants?
  
  I can only imagine that you've also said things like "we are indoors, nobody is beating around any bushes" or "how can you have the best of both worlds? There's only one world" or "there's no way you could 'knock it out of the park', we're not playing baseball".

This is why I keep logged into reddit. So I can avoid this mess, and get to use the custom feed feature.