Student Demands Tuition Refund After Catching Professor Using ChatGPT - Slashdot

it's "hard" because every peddler of AI is pushing it exactly in the way you say, and I agree, is wrong

This is it exactly. I use ChatGPT to double check things when I’m second guessing myself and I use it to make assignments.

Almost everytime, I need to tweak things but it turns 40 minutes of work into 5-10 minutes.

"no trace" isn't a necessary bar. You can learn business theory from a presentation including a 3 armed gargoyle without loss of information. Materials just need to be checked to be factual, which this seems to meet.

Mr Business Professor is probably one of the highest paid instructors in the college and his time is NOT well spent cruising the internet for PowerPoint images or formatting lecture materials. Frankly that's not a good use of TA time either.

It's a tool whose only purpose is to lie and generate bullshit. We're right to be upset when we find out we paid a human expert top fucking dollar to give us bullshit.

Time after time, I see people who should know better fail at basic things like this.

Even I don’t get called out for AI-written responses, even though a big number of my messages here are technically written by AI. The key difference is that I actually take the time to write a first draft of what I want to say, then run it through ChatGPT to help clean up my word salad - and finally, I go over the output again to make it sound like me. The thinking is mine. AI just helps me communicate more clearly.

I’d never ask it to write an entire response from scratch without providing structure or points I want to make. All I want is for the person reading my message to understand what I’m actually trying to say - so they can respond to that, not to a misinterpretation of what I was trying to say.

I'll just leave that first draft here to illustrate my point:

Time after time I see people that should know better to fail at basic things like this.

Even I don't get called out for AI responses even though a huge number of my messages posted here are technically written by AI. However, the difference here is that I actually took time to first write the first draft of what I want to say only then to give it for chatGPT to make sense of my word salad only for me to then go over it's output to make it sound like me again. The thinking is done by me - AI only helps me to communicate more clearly. I'd never ask it to write the entire response from ground up without providing any structure and points about what I want to say. All I want is the person reading this message to get as clear of an understanding as possible of what I'm trying to say so that they can respond to that rather than to misintrepretation of what I was trying to say.

I think there's a sweet spot you can hit, but sometimes I fight with it so long to get what I want, that by them, copy paste whatever is good enough... To be fair, I'm not an educator

The problem is that a student has a reasonable expectation of being taught by someone qualified and knowledgeable in the topic. If the professor is using AI, then that is a major breach of trust that brings into question the professor’s qualifications and whether you are actually getting the education you are paying for.

Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education...

Ya I mean, you could buy the teachers versions of textbooks on eBay in the late 1990s… pretty sure teachers didn’t want us using those.

Agreed.

I'd be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.

You could, but you would be pissing in the wind asking.

I'm already asking, no one listens to the people anyway

No one demanded substance decades ago when they all became call-girl fundraising removed. Interns write their slop. They are totally uninformed on must highschool course level subjects and above. AI of the present is a major upgrade even if it is only correct 80% of the time. However, alignment training techniques are deeply flawed in their implementation under the surface. We really need to scrap all IP law of the present to fix the problem too.

Edit: Fuck the negative trolls on lemmy. Downvoting is for dumbass children. Respond like an intellectual human or fuck off. Anonymous negativity towards strangers is psychopathic nonsense with no justification whatsoever for its existence. The devs that implemented it in the first place and normalized this kind of disordered stupidity across the internet are pathetic. Anonymous negativity in the real world, walking up to strangers to be personally negative to them in public will land you in an institution or jail as it should everywhere. This is not moral, it is not ethical, it is atrocious stupidity.

It’s still the same 10 users complaining about systemd

I checked it out again when reddit did their api fuckery. The progressives left and the libertarians are all that remain. I didn't stick around long enough to get a better feel for the situation.

Apparently, Digg may be coming back.

Well of course I do.

...Gemini, review this ChatGPT paragraph

As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.

Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago. Of course there is real A grade work being done too, but what defines an A grade has ballooned to a ridiculous degree such that most of it is not really A grade work

The problem isnt new, it was already bad 10 years ago to be honest. I had a professor in community college about 10 years ago who had been a professor at ASU, and she had quit teaching there specifically because the university wouldnt allow anyone to be graded below a C, regardless of if they did any work or not.

Most large public universities are just degree mills at this point, or bordering on it if not

Was your grade exclusively based on the tests and quizzes? That's the only part that's questionable here.

Every prof need not write their own unique materials, rather they need to teach you the target material using whatever resources best suit that purpose.

I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective and that assignment is just gangbusters.

In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.

Exactly. Nobody should care how the professor generates materials for the class, they should only care that the materials are effective and accurate. That's the professor's job, and they should be free to use whatever tools they find helpful in producing effective, accurate materials.

Mistakes happen. I found a bunch of errors in my classes, and this was before AI was a thing. The information was accurate, but the presentation was poor.

I think the key take away is that college is over rated, as you can easily find and create your own course materials on par with (or often better than) what the professors create