Disapproval of Elon Musk is top reason Tesla owners are selling, survey says

that may have been a lie the whole time.

Musk's taint on the brand is I think majorly based on this type of thing. His twitter purchase has revealed that he's a serial liar, and now people are seeing all of the ways that it is happening with Tesla. People tolerate assholes all of the time. What they don't want to tolerate is snake oil salesmen, and I'm not sure there has ever been a bigger one than Musk.

Fun fact: teslas are the most recalled car brand in the country.

I don’t discredit the work done by the engineers there, I’d argue they laid the groundwork to usher in the future of electric cars in this country. But of course all the credit goes to musk. Just another situation like Steve Jobs. See Bill Burrs bit on Jobs and replace him with Musk, same exact story.

Curious what quality issues you mean?

On the other hand, maybe we should start a foundation to buy Teslas for trans people. Can you imagine how pissed Musk would get if it suddenly became cool to be trans in a Tesla?

Tesla spent years building a brand identity that is intimately woven together with Musk.

It worked well for a long time but it makes sense if people lose faith in Musk they lose faith in Tesla. Because he is synonymous with the brand.

Lol so are the CEOs of all the other manufacturers people to look up to and admire?

They haven't built their brands around the reputation of their ceo.

Would I buy a Tesla? Ya if the car itself is good.

How can you evaluate if a car is good? It has recently been revealed that Tesla/Musk was exaggerating their range so severely that Tesla owners thought their cars were defective. Tesla has been trading on a reputation of 'goodness' that it didn't deserve.

Tesla is seeing repercussions from risks they took tying their brand so tightly with Musk.

I object to giving my hard earned money to evil people. I recommend the same.

Ah the ole "you're a hypocrite because your life contains contradictions"... Elon musk shoved his way into my life but according to you my buying decisions are wrong if I don't actively ignore that douche

Biggest issue is social. Buying a Tesla associates you positively with musk (by design), and from my experience most Tesla owners are incredibly annoying about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to avoid the stigma. Same reason people buy Harleys - the brand name and cultural associations on a vehicle matter a lot, sometimes even more than the car itself.

You can't have a rational discussion about Tesla on lemmy. So many people are so sick of hearing about Musk that only those who REALLY hate him will click on an article about him. Those people can not separate the product from the vocal dirtbag that is its CEO.

It's not worth even trying here.

My friends already sold their Teslas a few months ago.

It was such a wild ride watching them go, "Surely he's not serious" to "I'm embarrassed to drive this".

I wouldn't doubt he'd try that, but if he did he'd be in for a world of hurt since people need their cars to get to work. I imagine the government wouldn't take kindly to people's 5 digit dollar purchased not working on the whims of a crazy billionaire.

Hyundai Ioniq 6

Please don't buy that one due to significant safety concerns with the i-pedal driving mode feature https://youtu.be/U0YW7x9U5TQ

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

Teslas just don't drive better than any other EV. Yes, the first time i got in a tesla i was floored, but it was also the first time i ever sat in any EV. After seeing a handful of other EVs, i now realize tesla isn't anything special at all, all the EVs have that smooth electric motor feel.

They're going to be a medium sized car maker, like mercedes or bmw. They have no chance at selling more cars than toyota or gm to justify the insane market cap.

Or maybe not https://thedriven.io/2023/07/05/solid-state-batteries-toyota-has-history-of-talking-big-on-ev-breakthrough-but-not-delivering/

The only car that has kind of real automation for interstates is the Mercedes EQS/S Class, as far as i know. I would think it will take some years until the tech gets into smaller vehicles. And it also seems very expensive to get this certification for Level 3, so i would assume it will be 5-8 years before we get this in smaller vehicles.

I was off the Musk bandwagon when he called that rescuer in SE Asia a pedophile for not wanting to use his stupid submarine. Cancelled my cybertruck preorder.

I really need to get into car hacking

Apple enters the chat

They must have fixed the infotainment then, because I remember a video from electroBOOM showing it was glitchy and unresponsive

I gave him the benefit of the doubt, although there was certainly doubt, until the "pedo guy" thing. Then I realized he was just a manchild. And, of course, he used his high-priced lawyers to get out of that obvious slander in court.

Well, that's not actually true for everyone. I've been talking about this guy being a douchebag for years. I have a relative that told me three years ago that I was just jealous of his success.

I really want to talk to that guy again now... Maybe the next reunion, haha.

Oh no, they're very safe. You just might not be able to open your trunk or roll down windows for eight months until the dealership 200 miles away can attempt to look at the problem, fix the trunk, and somehow break the passenger door in the process.

Lmao my dad never shuts the fuck up about electric cars now he wants an electric car because Elon became a right wing god.

They've barely built about 20K of them so far. Demand outstrips supply, yes, but it's a low bar.

They're not selling here. There's a huge off-roading community here and nobody wants to risk getting stuck 300km into a logging trail.

Anecdotally I have to disagree.

I really enjoy our Model 3 and Model Y. After renting an ID.4 for a week in Norway I find that the Tesla setup is a lot more "no nonsense" than other OEMs.

For example the ID.4 has many "safety" features that help center the car in the land if it detects that you are leaving the road. In Norway that have very narrow roads and you often have to pull over to the shoulder (far past the lane edge) to let a car pass.

To turn those settings off in an ID.4 I had to dig through a menu and disable them every time I get into the car. Every. Time.

Tesla's UI experience is much more like a smart phone with persistence like one would expect. Like or hate the form factor, the infotainment on Tesla's are done about as well as you can with a giant touch screen in my opinion.

I really fucking loath Musk these days though and wish he would be ousted from Tesla.

Oh no doubt that was also a big factor, but even if they were well built high quality cars, it would still be a non-starter as long as Elno has anything to do with the company.

Funny that you mention the fructose as Jobs died from treating his cancer "..with a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbs, bowel cleansings, and other remedies that he found online. At one point, he even reached out to a psychic."

https://allthatsinteresting.com/steve-jobs-death

Really happy with the Rad Power Plus series. reasonably priced, 1000 miles and counting on the motor and battery. They seem to be getting a little hate of late for their customer service, but I have a local shop so I don’t see these issues.

Yeah, Europe and UK seem to be cheaper for those things. While I was in Rome I paid €40 for the year, but stayed 2 months. At one time we could get insurance for our petrol car at $59 a month with minimal coverage, now it’s twice that.

That $50 is not all for the bike, I added supplemental coverage to pay for US healthcare in the event of an accident. I have full theft and damage, plus a balloon policy that pays out for medical, accidental death (for2 people). I think it was $120 for just the year on just e-bike, but an accident could cause my heath insurance to not cover due to it being a vehicle in motion accident.

I bought my Model 3 Performance in 2021 because it ticked the boxes: fast, electric, and simple. After driving one for two years, I would probably still buy one again, but the association with Musk is a strong negative for sure...

They're better than Prius drivers, going 35 mph on the freeway and accelerating from a stoplight slower than the bicycle next to them.

My father in law is someone who has a long history of driving luxury cars. He recently (a couple years ago) switched to a Chevy Volt as his primary vehicle and loves it.

I know someone with a Chevy spark. They seem to really love it. I was looking at the F150 lightning but it's way out of my price range.

Rivian R1S for a high quality luxury vehicle!

Mustang Mach-E. Ford is seeing what Tesla is doing and copying the good bits, doing constant over the air updates, keeping quality good (not perfect, mind you) and the car itself is absolutely gorgeous. Blue cruise is not bad, expensive though now. You will probably have a shitty dealer experience but dealers are shitty. Ford really wants to do away with them and is trying to figure out how, last I heard.

If you want cheaper the Bolt EV or EUV. The pricing on the Bolt is good, and you wouldn't be going wrong by getting the current version. Chevy was going to ax the Bolt but instead they are redesigning the battery for a new edition. Everyone thinks its going to be just the EUV going forward since the EUV is like 4 inches bigger and most of it is the same. Chevy is going to put in a better battery that has faster charging times as well, if the rumors are true.

So you can't go wrong with either of those two. The main thing is that car companies are turning into (and have been for a while even prior to EVs) software companies. You have to go with who you think will do the best overall with good and bad and then pair it with the EV that suits you.

That being said despite how much I love the looks of the IONIQ 5 and the EV6, Kia and Hyundai have some work to do. VW is safe. They are Electrify America after all, for what good that is.

Most of the large manufacturers make at least one. The less expensive ones tend to just be gas cars with electric motors swapped in. Cars that were designed to be electric generally have less compromise and more refinement. If I got an electric car today it would be an egolf, the range isn't the best but that's the only downside I've really seen.

I think most of the traditional manufacturers have pretty decent offerings now. Prices are still a bit high compared to the equivalent petrol car, but that's only a matter of time given all the bans coming

If you're in the US:

On the lower end, try Volkswagen, Chevy and Ford. For higher end, check bmw, audi, and volvo.

Honda and Toyota are doing amazing at hybrids and plug in hybrids, but are behind on EVs. Hyundai, Kia, and Nissan in the US have bad build quality imo and their vehicles depreciate quickly.

I'm holding out for the Jeep Recon.

Hyundai and Kia have some great models

What? They don't explode. Worst case they burn.

Did you know that I there are 100k cars on fire in the US annually?

Or the self-driving system decides it doesn't like you...

yeah, everything is specific to use case, but there's no real change in behavior with most of the new evs - probably the biggest barrier is city/apartment living with charging infrastructure being dogshit. If you have a garage, or dedicated parking, it's a no brainer at this point.

It's great. The touchscreen software isn't great and there's a few annoying interface things, but it's great otherwise. Great to drive, tight turning radius, great pickup, efficient on the highway, no real complaints. The ioniq five was my other choice also, but I leased, and they didn't pass the tax rebate back to the customer when leasing, so I went with the id4

Single, no towing. It's great though.

We got one. it's absolutely awesome. My only complaints are the automatic seat changes not occurring until after I'm wedged into my short wife's seat and select myself as the driver, and the soft button selection that controls both radio and AC. The number of times I've frozen my butt off instead of turning down the volume is too high.

Other than that, it's fast, very spacious backseat, great amenities (cooling/heated front and heated back), and has great range, and rapid recharge capabilities (20->80% in 18 minutes with a fast charger). We call it the spaceship.

I got one this year and really love it - the drive is quite peppy, range is much better than advertised, and it's a comfortable car. There are a few minor downsides, such as I've encountered a few glitches along the way (occasionally the driver side mirror won't go back to the normal position automatically after backing up), but these seem to be pretty minimal and are getting fixed with software updates.

I'll echo the other replies. I'm really enjoying it.

I was going to buy the GT just because it's dumb but come to find out you miss out on some features of the "lesser" models, as well as losing a decent amount of range. You can't get power or cooled front seats and its estimated range is down to ~200 miles.

I ended up with the AWD GT-Line which is still pretty quick but has 50+ miles of range over the GT as well as the power/cooled front seats.

Like @geogle said, the climate/radio screen is weird but I got used to it pretty quickly. The one thing that bugs me the most is the skip forward/backwards buttons for music or podcasts are (what I think) backwards. They are up/down arrows and the down arrow skips forward and the up arrow skips backwards.

The only other thing I'm somewhat annoyed by is the lack of wireless car play/android auto. You can buy an adapter but it feels silly they wouldn't have included it on a 2023 $60k vehicle

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Battery heavy

That's because it's cheap components. When you're buying a Tesla you're compromising on nearly every aspect of comfort, quality and premium finishes for more "posted" range and to pretend like you have FSD.

This will become dead obvious when the cyber truck rolls off the line. It'll be mid the 2000s Hummer H2/ Pontiac Aztec of this generation.

Yah, I had to laugh at that statement. I think the media folks go out of their way to find the punchable-face pics too as all of them seem to fit that bill.