Bad film with amazing premise and mediocre execution that you can't stop thinking about?

The Cube.
Most people saw it as an average horror movie where a bunch of people try to get out of a giant torture box. But there was a pivotal scene that stuck with me where one of the prisoners realizes he helped build part of it. The whole thing wasn't some intentional torture device but just a bunch of people doing their day jobs that were lost in a bureaucracy not ever questioning what their work was creating.
A stark reflection of society and the systems we create and the dangers of not ever looking at the bigger picture.
Of course they proceeded to shit all over this idea in Cube2 where it ended up being just another evil government experiment.
- I actually liked Cube Zero for the backstory and set styles. I don’t remember much else so I’m assuming it was shit, but you can give it a try if you want.
  
  I think OP pretty much summed up Cube Zero. The first installment is really just a horror fiction also depicting the structure of human society.
  Yeah, Cube 2 is shit. It's a scientific concept show.
- Yeah it's not a bad film at all really, but even just within the horror/scifi genre it can't compete with higher budget films for popularity.
- Just to ask, nobody understood the full picture of what they were making? Or was there someone who created the concept but intentional obfuscated it from everyone else via bureaucracy?
  
  Granted it's just the viewpoint of one of the prisoners but it's the one I found most intriguing. To quote the movie: "Nobody knew what it was, nobody cared...there is no conspiracy, nobody is in charge. It's a headless blunder operating under the illusion of a master plan...somebody might have known sometime before they got fired, voted out, or sold it...this is an accident, a forgotten perpetual public works project. You think anybody asked questions? All they want is a clear conscience and a fat paycheck."
- The thing that stuck with me was: "TWO!"
- Yeah, I even think Cube² was better.

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. Amazing world building and visuals that was destroyed by terrible casting and wooden acting.
- It's based on a comic series so we can read that at least
- The box art put me off thisnone, but skimming the plot and it reads like an amazing visual spectacle. Might watch this one
  
  The film opening is the best part, and honestly one of the best openings to a movie ever. It's such a shame the rest of the movie is hindered by the awful writing and casting.
  
  This was the movie I immediately thought of.
  It's a terrific LOOKING movie, but the two leads had absolutely no chemistry. At first I couldn't figure out if they were partners, spouses, dating, brother & sister, etc.
  The production design was spectacular, though.
- Still definitely worth watching if you ask me, but yeah those main characters are... Not amazing.

There was this movie I saw once called Time Trap. I definitely would not call it good, but the premise was interesting.
Archaeology professor goes missing while exploring a cave which was once thought to be the location of the fountain of youth. His grad students go looking for him, find the cave, weird things start happening when they enter.
- Time trap was awesome. The scene when they realize the flickering lights are time passing and then they poke their heads out of the cave to see a complete departure of the old world.
  The end got a lil weird tho.
  Nonetheless it's a movie that will stick with you for a few days of conceptualizing.
  *Time Trap was directed by Ben Foster, which I just discovered. It's also streaming for free (w ads of course) on YouTube.
  
  So I just watched it on YouTube. What the hell was that ending?
  Spoilers if someone is gonna watch it (I don't really know an effective way to do spoiler tags so bear with me):
  They're in the cave until the sun just kinda "goes out" and is replaced by a bright green light. Some giant future human comes down and does battles with the cavemen and knocks them out with some weird shock collar thing. He takes a vial of super water before being jumped by some more cavemen and getting his mask taken off and bonked on the head a few times, which somehow kills him. Before he dies, he plays some holographic recording of a newscast about the five characters who went missing. In the final battle, they take his ladder and use it to try to escape the cave only to find some weird machine with water covering the hole where they try to climb out of. What I assume is another evolved human grabs them and outfits one girl in a weirdly sexy diving suit? To then rescue the rest of them. They all wake up in a spaceship and get reunited with their friends and the professor with his family, and presumably fly off to Mars.
  My question(s) is A) what the hell is going on with future humanity B) why isn't anyone upset that the world is dead and their families are gone forever and they passed into history as another unsolved disappearance, but it's cool cause we're in space in the future C) how did they not experience the heat death of the universe in the time dilation cave? Especially when the sun went out
- The kind of spoiler tag you used is the kind that doesn't work on every Lemmy app. Fortunately, that's not a problem, as I've already seen Time Trap, and despite forgetting its name, do sometimes think about it.
  
  Thanks, I actually went out of my way to look up the native Lemmy markdown format for spoilers because I was worried the one I was used to using wasn't universal, but I guess the opposite ended up being the case. I'll try to fix it.
- This was the first thing I thought of when seeing the prompt. I actually love this movie and have seen it several times, but the acting is abysmal.
- might give this one a watch!
  
  Imo it is way better than what OP made it sound to be, held my attention whole way through.
- Hey, I'm upvoting you and all but I gotta ask how do you do the spoiler thing? I'm using Apollo and it made me click to expand your comment so I could see the spoiler part. How did you format it?
  
  It took me a few tries, but the format that was recommended to me by SoleInvictus in this comment appeared to work.
  https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/14390647
  Ironically it doesn't work as well in my own app because the app keeps trying to change the formatting to its own syntax, but it seems to work for the most people of all spoiler options.
- I had a series of 3 stomach surgeries and I delved into some shows I wouldn't watch. I stumbled on this one. I really loved the premise. It is one of those late night SyFy feeling movies. The end did get weird, but I like where they were going with it.
- I'm surprised how many people in the comments have (A) seen this movie, and (B) liked it. I didn't care for it, although I do like the basic premise.
  The timing of your comment is a kind of a funny coincidence for me, because over the past few days I've been editing the next episode of my podcast, which will come out on Tuesday, and in it I mention Time Trap a couple times. Maybe the film is having a moment?

Reign of fire. Don't know if that's what you were referencing in the picture but it's immediately what came to mind when I saw the drawing.
- Wait, but Reign of Fire is the best dragon vs. helicopter movie ever made!
- Dude yes, I was so hyped for it, but it really underdelivered
  
  Bits of it were good. Seems like something went wrong in production or they ran out of money or something. Some of the effects were really good and there was a real mood to the post apocalypse world but it was very uneven especially the way the entire process of civilization ending was just a montage of newspaper headlines. It's ok to be post apocalypse of you don't want to show the apocalypse but that was just cheese. Also there were the odd shots that were of just such a lower standard than the rest of the film. Like this scene where a guy climbs up a watertower and stands atop it getting ready to throw a spear and for some reason after the effects extravaganza up until that point in the film it looked a cheap television blue screen that was super awkward. I guess they wanted it to look taller than in reality and show the desolate landscape but it's so weird that after all the aerial dragon combat they'd pulled off pretty well for the most part that THAT was somehow difficult. I seem to recall storywise there was some very disappointing ending too but it's been rather too long for me to recall it now anyway.

Dark City (1998) could definitely fit the bill, it has so many unique ideas for that time in film and you can see there’s of all sorts of future sci-fi movies in it from the matrix to inception, it’s a very visually ugly movie and the acting is subpar but as a premise it’s super interesting. Generally I think remakes are a waste of time and money but I’d love to see this movie with a proper budget and modern technology
- The city itself was interesting as hell
- I just watched this! It felt like the director wanted to go real big with it but technology just wasn't there with effects. It also tried very hard to be a mindfuck movie but also kept spoiling the twists somehow lol. Overall solid 7+ movie.
- I really like that movie. But watch the directors cut, for the love of all that's good! It removed the narration at the beginning that gave away the whole plot. Much better that way.
- Jennifer Connelly is the best part of the movie
- Just joking. I really liked the movie for its style and the frightening bad guys in all sizes. Also Kiefer Sutherland with a mad scientist touch.

Hot take, “Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy”. The radio play, books and 80s bbc show were not represented very well at all. They missed well over 75% of the jokes, Mos Def and Zooey Deschanel added nothing to it, and they added plots and scenes, I think just to get more “blockbuster actors” in, that ruin the original story of the radio play. Sam Rockwell, Alan Rickman/Warwick Davis and Bill Nightly were the highlights. One of the few movies I wish they would remake.
- Sam Rockwell as Zaphod was spot on. He was the only one who actually read the books, and had to even tell the director to add "Froody" to the script. What a shitshow it must have been for the director not to know that....
  
  That director doesn't sound froody
- Agreed, it was a big letdown unfortunately, compared to any of the other versions (including the text adventure!)
  Shame, because Martin Freeman was perfect for Arthur, and Stephen Fry as the voice of the Guide was a great choice too. Though Mos Def was ok as Ford, although not on a par with David Dickson (TV) or Geoffrey McGivern (radio).
  Zaphod and Trillian weren't right at all though IMO.
- I quite like the movie. I mean all your points make sense and i agree, but at the same time, it's that movie that even introduced me to the books, and i now read them every year or two. The movie is far from perfect, but if you look at other things they try to convert into movies, this could've been so so much worse. Like imagine they made that movie now or somewhen in the past 5 or 10 years, it would basically be a disney marvel movie with marvel quips and: "he's right behind me isn't he's?"

Man in the High Castle tv show. The premise was interesting, Nazis taking over the US and the population figting back. However, the show quickly devolved into a confusing mess.
Nazis are in charge of the US government, yet there's other Nazis on the run from the Nazis in charge? And they're hiding bibles? I was left scratching my head wondering if there were any characters that weren't Nazis. I guess it's a story about how bad guys always turn on each other?
Also The Witcher season 1 tv show. I've never played the games before and knew nothing about it. I was hoping the tv series would be my introduction to the games, but... what in the actual fuck. Was the director drunk? Is this a show about medieval fantasy time travel and I'm just not getting it?
- As far as the witcher and time travel kind of. At some point in the future there was a disaster and Earth was destroyed. However some humans and lots of monsters from alternate realities ended up in the world of the Witcher. Elves and dwarves were the original inhabitants.
  Humans used a mix of genetic engineering they had and magic taught to them by the elves to make the Witchers. The Witchers helped solve the massive monster problem and the world ended up with humans mostly on top.
  Witchers age very slowly and if not killed can live a very long time. Powerful magic users are basically the same. So the stories from session 1 are spread over about 80 years with some long lived characters.
  The first book that season 1 is primarily based on is also different from the other books. It's a bunch of short stories that are based on classic stories. So there is Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Beauty and the Beast, etc.
  
  I own the Witcher 3. Should I start there? Cause you just made me very interested.
- The witcher Netflix series was a mess behind the scenes. I think some of the writers were taking it as opportunity to show off their 'abilities' and were writing OC instead of the witcher.
- If you didn't actually finish high castle, it just keeps getting good weirder.
- Man in the High Castle tv show. The premise was interesting, Nazis taking over the US and the population figting back. However, the show quickly devolved into a confusing mess.
  Unfortunately the case for a good portion of Philip K. Dick's work... Schizophrenia, amphetamines, and misogyny can do that I guess.
  But when he was good... He was the best of his genre. Literally imo...
- ahhh yeah Man in the High Castle, that's one where you oughta just read the book
  i'm ditto w/u on how annoying constant time displacement is in television YES EVEN ANDOR DAMMIT
- Season 1 is based on the first book, which was made some a bunch of serials in a fiction magazine. It's honestly pretty spot on with the book and the following books and seasons are fully linear.
- Is this a show about medieval fantasy time travel and I’m just not getting it?
  The three main perspectives it follows take place at different points in and over different amounts of time but each one is internally completely linear and then they all end the season at the same point as each other. Basically, the less you’re making an effort to follow the plot the easier it is to follow because keeping track of the interconnectedness distracts you from the straightforward character stories.
  This isn’t me trying to convince you to go back, to be clear, I’m just hoping this will give you some closure.
- I felt like the story was amazing for season 1. Season 2 went downhill quickly because of the easy love triangle plot line. The main saving gave was the Rufus 'Obergruppenführer Smith' Sewell amd his son toryline. I couldn't even tell you if I've seen/remember one episode of season 3.
- Man in the High Castle
  Although I liked the series, the "supernatural" elements in it really threw me off. I would still recommend the series but be clear that it is science fiction and doesn't always adhere to physical limitations as we know them, without getting any more specific than that.
- 1st season had 2-3 timelines going at once, no time travel (this time) just poorly executed non-linear story telling

Basically every Terminator movie after T2. They have some great "what if" premises that could add so much depth to the world, but then struggle to see the vision through is a satisfying way.
T3: Let's actually show Judement Day
T4: Let's show the turning point in the war against the machines (edit: and why people follow John Connor as leader of the resistance)
T5: Exists
T6: What if all this time travel actually branched the timeline? What would it look like if one of Skynet's terminators succeeded?
- The Sarah Connor chronicles was the only sequel media that ever made sense to me
  
  I know, right? I was quite mad when l heard the show was cancelled after season two. I still want to know if she survived after taking a shotgun shot to this day.

In Time (2011). Time is currency in the dystopia in the film - paying for something decreases your lifespan, earning wages increases it.
The movie sets up a really cool class structure, wherein there are rich people born with/inheriting hundreds of thousands of years of life, and poor people barely managing to scrape enough hours to stay alive until they can earn more the next day. There are segmented areas of the city that cost years to get into.
Overall incredible premise, but the story wasn't exceptional beyond a couple of the cool mechanics you might expect based on said premise.
- Agree. Great premise and decent world building in the film, but it just felt like a generic action thriller after 30 mins.
- And Justin Timberlake is good at pop music
- In time is absolutely an idea that I wish would get revisited for a TV show.
  When I was a kid, for some reason, I loved the original West World movie, which is about 20% high concept and 80% "how do we copy terminator when all we have are a bunch of random Wild West, medieval and classical back lots?"
  Obviously a few years ago HBO picked it up for a show, and that first season explores some of the richest philosophy I've seen on TV, in the way only Sci-Fi can; by building characters and technology directly around their philosophical takes and stress testing them. Also simultaneously it created an incredibly compelling story and characters. All of this stemmed from the idea "what if there was a wild west theme park manned by perfectly realistic animatronics?"
  In Time may not have the cult classic reputation of the first Westworld but it's got appeal and charm, while being basically only interesting in it's high concept, and therefore perfect to pull apart and explore an HBO style branching plot. I bet you could get Justin Timberlake to appear in it again too, for added audience appeal. A show like this can also explore multiple characters in different classes, and those who interact with both. It's just wasn't that suited to a movie.
  
  I loved the original West World movie, which is about 20% high concept and 80% “how do we copy terminator when all we have are a bunch of random Wild West, medieval and classical back lots?”
  I'm sorry what? 'West World' came out in 1973, 'The Terminator' came out in 1984. Am I missing something here?

Jupiter Ascending
They seed the galaxy and harvest whole planets to create an immortality serum. Fantastic world concept ... but a subpar story to make a movie about within that world.
- oh yeah, I remember liking the genetic aspect of that too. But yeah, poor story, and not Mila Kunis's best acting
- I thought if they took out the werewolf thing, it would’ve been so much better.
- I was so hyped when I saw the trailers, because the visuals and ideas of the story they showcased were exactly my jam. But oh boy, what a dumpster fire the whole movie turned out to be.
  Edit: yep, still goosebumps watching the trailer
- And all the stuff about the genetic lottery, there being so many humans that eventually a perfect match gets born randomly is a cool premise.
  I wish Jupiter Ascending could have some sequels to spend going full space soap opera.
  
  I know! The idea that a perfect clone/cop could be born was amazing. If only they would make a movie about ... oh yeah, I forgot. They did.

The movie In Time (2011). The premise was interesting but I can't even remember the plot because it was so meh.
I also think Idiocracy could have been better. It had good moments, and that's what most people remember, but the overall cohesiveness falls flat. Great moments, iconic scenes, but could have been a better film.
- In time, has such a awesome premise.
  But what we got was a "poor little rich girl" story.
  
  What we got was Bonnie and Clyde. I liked it though.
- Came to the comments to say In Time. I always have to remind myself how bad it was, because I really like the concept, so the movie tends to be much better in my head than it actually is as I keep adding things that weren't there.
- At first I thought you meant there was a movie inside a movie called Time.

Not a movie, but a TV show. Revolution.
A sci-fi post-apocalypse show where the premise is that all of a sudden all technology (specifically anything that uses electricity) just stops working and nobody knows why. The show takes place 15 years into the apocalypse. The US has Balkanized into various regional states (although you don't learn this until later). Some regions have devolved into chaos while others have basically reverted to a steam-punk type of society. Since all modern ships use electricity, they've begun to revive large ships from the age of sail. The remnants of the US military at Guantanamo Bay eventually return to the mainland and try to reestablish a much more explicitly authoritarian control over the US. You eventually learn that what caused the global blackout was the creation of a self-replication nanotech which rapidly spread across the planet and shut off all electricity.
Great premise, but it got too much into the soap-opera CW-style of writing and didn't last more than 2 seasons.
- Ah yes, the Lost-likes.
  Manifest, Fast Forward, Continuum, Revolution, Terra Nova... loved them all. All of them canceled.
  
  From isn't canceled yet.
- Yep. Sounds like what happened with Jericho. Mystery and intrigue in the starting seasons, and then just weird petty soap-opera style squabbles towards the end
  
  If the writers want to tell a story focused on inter-personal relationships, that's perfectly fine. There are PLENTY of people who enjoy that kind of thing. They just don't tend to be the same type of people who enjoy post-apocalyptic sci-fi puzzle-box shows. I don't know why you go through all the trouble of creating this expansive world and lore only to focus your show on character dynamics that aren't centered around the conceit of the show.
  If you're going to build this complex world, let us explore that world!
  
  Poor Jericho, I need to hunt down the graphic novels that supposedly gave it a proper ending.
- Yeah really fun premise slathered in boring characters.
  If I recall it devolved into some CW-flavor bullshit revolving around the girl, who is her real father, why is she special. Blah blah blah.
- It was such a good show, but man did they just keep pushing it

Not a film, but a TV series? It's called Jericho, and the synopsis in the Wikipedia reads:
Jericho is an American post-apocalyptic action drama television series, which centers on the residents of the fictional city of Jericho, Kansas, in the aftermath of a nuclear attack on 23 major cities in the contiguous United States.
But yeah, the execution is mediocre at best. Both the action and the drama are unbearably flimsy and cliche, even the argument flops as metal.
- I love Jericho. On my third watch right now actually. Would agree that it's frequently cliché, but overall I'd say it's very good. Skeet Ulrich is transfixing.
  
  Did you read the season 3 in comic books? I was surprised about the following they've got as I was reading that Wikipedia entry.
- I remember starting watching that. I have no idea how far I got, but I don't remember a thing about it.
  
  Same here. Aamof I just try watching it last year. Visually, it was cool to come back to those years, but I don't think I finished season 1.
- Nuts
- Oh man I haven't thought of Jericho in a minute. I used to watch that after The Unit.
- Yeah, I can't stop thinking about that show either.

I feel like the last 30 years of Star Wars movies could qualify here
- Disneys stance is to be middle of the ground on everything. Writers or source material bring in a ton of actually interesting stuff, only to be snubbed and half assed. It happens so consistently in all their shows. It's maddening!
  
  Have you tried Andor yet? That show is crazy good.
- I've always felt like Star Wars the original 3 (4,5 and 6) were a product of their time. They aren't bad movies but they aren't great movies either, but for whatever reason they struck a chord with the population in the late 70's and early 80's. George Lucas should have just let them be there really was no reason to make any more of them, but money.

Interstellar is like Neo-Posadism minus Marxism. The premise was awesome. Climate apocalypse and space travel. But the movie doesn't have humanity solve either of those problems. Instead it pops it's collar and says *don't worry bro, ~~the market~~ ~~Marxist space aliens~~ ~~some scientists~~ ~~a famous shirtless hot actor guy~~ fuck you who cares the green guy behind a curtain made a worm hole or something".
- I have a feeling Chris Nolan goes into films with some specifically detailed poignant character moments in mind, and then he just hastily weaves a plot to tie them together. It's interesting to watch at least, but maybe too high brow(?) to call entertaining
  
  For Interstellar, at least, I'd say it's incredibly low-brow. The resolution is just "the power of wuv saves humanity!", which is extremely simplistic and easily understood by the masses.
  
  That would explain why his best films are based on books
- I thought the bigger issue was the premise. If earth is in a climate apocalypse, and we have extremely advanced technology that lets us bring life to far out planets, then why are we leaving earth? Can’t those same technologies be applied to saving the earth people?
  The whole “we have to go space” feels like manifest destiny and the desperate urge of capitalism to expand.
  
  I also didn't like the "I'm going to fuck off and let everyone else die" philosophy of not solving the climate issue at home.
  
  What I got out of it was that plant life got diseases that killed them/made them unedible and corn was the only one holding off until the start of the movie. Also in my extremely slim understanding of planetary modification you need to release gases (carbon dioxide, oxygen etc) on a planet to create an atmosphere and it's way easier to release gases than remove them.
  So their plan was to let the earth crops rot away and plant fresh ones where there is no diseases.
  
  It can be easier to start with a fresh slate than it is to salvage a mess.

Wanted (2008) - The comics are brilliant, sharp, funny and intelligent. By leaving out everything smart/interesting from the comics they managed to create a mediocre action movie.
- Except for shooting around corners and that thing with the car, those bits were cool.
- The comics were 'edgy' and somewhat needlessly abrasive, but yeah they were enjoyable

Terminator Genisys
First creative use of the time travel the series ever had... And totally botched about every other aspect of the movie that wasn't an action sequence.
That whole 30 second idea of a Terminator in the 70s with a young Sarah Connor was far more interesting than what the movie did with Kyle Reese.
- Oof yeah, what were they thinking with doing that to Kyle? He was the one pure aspect of the entire franchise (a friend, a lover, a father, a sacrificial pawn) and they cheapened his sacrifice with that nonsense

Twilight. My wife made me watch the first one and it's actually got a really interesting world and hints at a lot of decent lore and possible content.
Then they fill the film with close-ups of their eyes meeting across the room for minutes on end.
- I actually liked the weird depressing grey vibe of the the first film. If it wasn't for all the vampire stuff, it'd be an interesting outsider story about boy-meets-girl with a slight supernatural vibe
- The third and fourth books actually start to introduce some really wild lore and world-building. Shame it was wasted on such a terrible main plot.

As featured in the picture, Reign of Fire. I had forgotten about it. I truly don't think there is a film out there that has represented dragons as I see them better.
- I really think about Quinn's character a lot. How the world entirely changed for him on that pivotal day he discovered that male dragon, and the decades he spent running and surviving and living in fear of something that he inadvertently set in motion, and then the turning point as an adult as he confronts his fear and wields it to put an end to what he started.
  What I like about him, is that he's not actually that unique -- anybody could have woken that dragon, and if Quinn hadn't been there on that day, one of his mother's coworkers would have. He's not particularly heroic as an adult either, opting to hide and scrounge for survival, and openly admitting to everyone that he's winging it on the leader front. And yet he inspires his community with fierce devotion to keeping them all alive. When he finally goes to confront the dragon, he does it almost alone, inspiring no one with his courage other than himself.
  As a character I find him weirdly relatable as someone just coping with heavy trauma the best that they can

Not a movie, but a TV Show. The Cape.
A former detective is forced into hiding where he is trained in stage magic, sleight of hand, circuscraft, and illusions. He uses them to fight crime.
I thought it was a really interesting concept, a more down-to-earth superhero like Batman, and stuff like this can plausibly happen in real life.
Unfortunately the show was so bad it was canceled mid season and the finale was only streamed on NBC's website.
- Six seasons and a movie!
- Damn sounded hilarious

Passengers had the possibility to be really creepy, I still liked it but without seeing Chris Pratts time alone first, we would have all been confused and on guard with Jennifer Lawrence.
- I think it would have been a much better film if the audience had also been kept in the dark about him opening her pod as well. That way we can also go through the range of emotions with her at the same time when she finds out.
  Just start the movie from her perspective. Pod opening and Pratt is already there. He tells her his pod just opened and he's confused too. Then we get the whole "wandering the shipn for the first time" montage where they could drop subtle hints that it's not actually his first time doing any of those things.
  His character is absolutely a bad person, but it's a situation we can sympathize with because being truly completely alone for any amount of time fucks with people badly. She has every right to hate him for the rest of their lives, but it turns out that if he hadn't done what he did they all would have died because of the damaged engine or whatever it was (I can't remember).
  They could have made the movie much harder hitting and/or creepy for the first half, but they opted to try and make you sympathetic to his situation from the start.
  It's the movie that always pops into my head when thinking about wasted potential.
- Pandorum is, to me, what Passengers was trying for. The claustrophobic horror of hurting through the void, other humans being both your salvation and your tormentors, all that.
  The execs ruined it to make a vehicle for some big names.
  
  I love Pandorum. I have a huge FanTheory on it on reddit from years back if you want to check it out.
  https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/gmlo53/pandorum_earth_took_serious_countermeasures/
  
  I’ll check that out!

Cabin in the woods
- Hot take.
  I loved cabin in the woods!
  
  Yeah, I don't think anybody actually thought it was a bad movie. The real hot take is saying it was.
  
  everyone and their mother did
- Yeah, so much more there, they set up a very good universe to explore a tiny sand grain of it.
- Cabin in the Woods is fine art.
  10/10 Premise 10/10 Execution
  I'm helping my teenager get through all the horror tropes so we can watch Cabin in the Woods together.
- I feel like it would've been a little better if they held off on the reveal that it was staged for a bit, but it's been ages since I've seen it. I remember enjoying it though.
- I feel like everything was explained. I'm not left with any lingering questions about why or how any of it happened
  
  If you want more you got SCP lol.
  
  That's a great point. It would be fun to see a G rated fantasy film that happens to exactly follow the rules to be a Cabin in the Woods prequel.
  (Same enforcement of common tropes from much happier genres, but implying that the underlying reason is the same...)
- you shut your bastard mouth!
- I'm asking you politely but firmly to leave

- +1 for I do not give a shit about Chris Pratt
  
  He'll never be my Mario.
- Gotta feeling the upcoming movie with SJ is going to be right on that list too. Just bad ideas getting recycled over and over.

I'll take "Movies of the Current Decade" for $1000, Alex.

I agree with all the other people in this thread mentioning 'In Time'. It had such a great premise, and I didn't even hate the execution, but it was mediocre. It was like they went 50% of the way to a flawless execution and just said "fuck it, that's good enough". The concept has a lot of elements to explore, like classism, labor exploitation, human rights, even free will to a point... A movie just isn't the right vehicle for that story. It needs to be a series. Done right, you could explore all that while having an overarching plotline, and still have your weekly subplots and B stories. That would give the story time to fully develop the romantic connection between the poor guy who comes into a bunch of time, and the rich girl who empathizes with him. That romance felt incredibly rushed in the movie, but you could build it up over a whole season in a show.
I also want to mention another movie that I'm not sure belongs here. It's not a bad movie, nor do I think the execution was mediocre, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it didn't do better. That movie is called 'Push', with Chris Evans and Dakota Fanning. I just watched it again the other night, and I freaking love it. The concept isn't that amazing or original, but the way they present it is great. There isn't a ton of exposition or world-building. They kinda just drop you in and let you figure it out, and I really like that. Evans and Fanning have great onscreen chemistry, and Djimon Honsou is a perfect bad guy. This is another one where I think it would make a great series, even though I think the movie was done really well. It's just kind of a perfect mid-budget sci-fi action movie, and we don't seem to get those anymore.
- Will check out both, thanks for this
- I thought "In Time" was a good movie. I agree that there is a lot that could be done with it, however only so much can be done in a movie. This sort of concept really lends itself to multiple movies or a series (just don't drag it out too long).

Madam Web. The premise of your perception being un-stuck in time and the ramifications that has for your psyche is really cool. What's not cool is hiring bad writers and nepo baby actresses to portray that story
- nepo baby actresses
  which ones
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Roberts
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Johnson
- The premise is get crossfaded and enjoy the ride. The execution is flawless.
- Different thought so I'm leaving a second comment. For whatever reason I thought We Live In Time had this premise for like a third of the movie. In hindsight I don't really know why I did. I think it's because Andrew Garfield's character took notes and seemed flustered at times? I suppose I thought this was him trying to keep things straight in his brain? No. It's just a normal story told in a noninear fashion. I loved it though.
- Slaughterhouse Five (the book) did this fairly well, though the movie isn't much better than Madame Web.

Lucy
It’s entertaining as all hell. It doesn’t pretend to be anything more, so I don’t understand the hate it gets. Just turn off your brain, and have some fun. It’s not supposed to be hard sci-fi.
- "turn off your brain" is a pretty ironic requirement.
  
  LoL. Totally. Gotta use 0% of your brain in order to enjoy a movie about using 100% of your brain.
  But anyway, it’s just code for ‘get stoned as fuck before watching this.’
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(2014_film)
  The audience for Lucy was split evenly between men and women, with 65 percent being over age 25.[54] Nikki Rocco, president for domestic distribution at Universal Studios, said, "To have a female lead in an original property absolutely made a difference. Scarlett is a star, and her presence [in the film] made it a lot more appealing for women."[55] Michael Bodey of The Australian commented that women having comprised half the audience is "a seemingly new precedent for an action film" and that, because of its box office performance, Lucy is the film out of all of Besson's film work "likely to have the greatest cultural impact."[18]
  It seems like it definitely resonated with a lot of people, will check it out. Luc Besson can be hit and miss, but his films are always memorable
  
  I think in Scarlett’s Hot Ones episode, she mentioned that Meryl Streep told her she loved Lucy. Which makes me think Meryl might be a big stoner. Hilarious.
- it gets hate because it’s all based on a long ago debunked urban legend about brain % usage… and made the legend grow….
  
  Since when do we hold action movies to that kind of standard?
- and it's only 89 minutes, it doesn't get stale or repetitive!

CATS
Cats is not a complicated musical. All they had to do was animate it and get actual voice actors/singers. I've seen sketches for what I think was a Tim Burton sketch, and that would have been a million times better. I don't know who looked at Cat's and was like, "Yup, we need CGI." It looks horrendous and sounds bad more often than not. The musical is already pretty out there, how much more fun would that movie had been if we had animators working on it. The creative visuals, colors, motifs. Not to mention a cat is a wonderfully complex animal to animate just because of how they move. That movie could have been a visual delight in part with the Spiderman movies if they let it, but noooooo. Let's make a nightmare.
- I still feel obliged to post it, so that the memories don't fade.
  
  Beautiful.

Mickey 17 is the latest one for me.
- Oof is it bad? I was beating myself because I didn’t get to watch in on theatre because of its very short run. I was waiting for digital release to watch it.
  
  It’s not bad, but the pacing is terrible and it’s not really the movie that the trailers made it out to be. The concept and trailer made it look like a completely different movie.
  I still enjoyed it, but I’d only give it a 6/10. Robert Pattinson is quickly turning into one of my favourite actors though, he’s great in it.
  
  I thought it was great, premise and execution.
  
  For me the pacing was bad. Like they could have cut a combined 30 minutes and it would be recommendable.
  
  It's good. Honestly I think Ruffalo being in there less would do it some good. Make the scenes he's in stick out more.
  The movie just sort of goes all over. I like movies like that though.
- will definitely watch this one

Show, but LOST, I remember what could've been...
- I really liked the Dharma Initiative aspect of it, was hoping that they'd go somewhere with it....
  
  I think it'd be cool for someone to make a videogame based off it now
- The eternal metric of a good show hitting a point in season 3 or 4 where every episode opens 20 more questions than it answers, making me wonder if its going to Do a Lost on me and just fall apart. (ahem-Yellowjackets&Severance-ahem)
  
  I think it's important when making a show to actually have an end in mind, yknow?

I in no way call this "mediocre"; Its just a flat our terrible low budget bullshit film that the director made as an excuse to hang out with shirtless dudes.
But years ago the guys at Red Letter Media did a segment on "Bigfoot vs D.B. Cooper", and that premise alone (what happened after D.B. Cooper landed) has lived in my brain ever since.
It legitimately angers me that such a great high concept idea was completely wasted on what basically amounts to gay porn.
- Lmao, the reviews are somewhat illuminating
  https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3588938/reviews/
  
  Yep. And therein lies my frustration.
  David Decoteau (or he'll sometimes use his alias "Richard Chasen") stole the perfect premise for what could have been a great shlocky low-to-mid-budget action movie. And no NO ONE can ever make it without being compared with....that....whatever it is....

Just watched The Gorge (2025) recently. I wouldn't say it's a bad film, but it was really mediocre.
I love the premise of having the two guard towers, one on each side of a mysterious and foggy gorge, not supposed to communicate with each other, guarding us all from whatever is down there. People have previously gone in but never come out. Strange monsters sometimes attempt the climb up the cliff walls. Is it the gate to hell? What's the story behind it all? Chemistry slowly happens between the guards of the two towers.
(If you think you might enjoy this movie, don't read my spoilers. Just watch it. I liked it even though it was a bit disappointing.)
- the trailer didn't entice me that much, so I went ahead with the spoilers. Yeah I hate when a good mystery is ruined by over-explaining.
  I still haven't forgiven Steven King for writing all those sequels to The Gunslinger
- I was going to mention this, but thought it was too recent.
  I thought it was pretty good until they went in. Even the way they met was pretty silly.
- I feel like the plot undercut the otherwise cool metaphor that the gorge represented.
  East and West, separated by nothing but their deepest fears. Two killers searching for human connection but unable to reach the nearest person. How fucking cool is that? You can do so much!
  Then you find out that there isn't really any East/West divide, they're both working for the same bad guys. Traversal of the gorge plays like a joke instead of being a serious moment of character development. Then the ending is a bunch of run-shoot-explode.
- Somebody played Enshrouded and decided to make a post-Cold War movie out of it

The original Purge. I thought all the background stuff and setting were super interesting, but the film itself was a generic home invasion movie. The sequel expanded on all the stuff I was interested in, though.
- The sequels really explored the idea with impressive worldbuilding. I admit the first one was more a horror flick, but the others were definitely digging deep into social commentary
  
  Yeah, it wasn't even that the first one was bad, it's just that all the things they mentioned in passing, like the New Founding Fathers and the exemptions for Level 10 Government Officials, were building a world that sounded super interesting. Then we got saddle with some boring rich family for 90 minutes. I only got around to seeing the first sequel, but it delivered on all the stuff I wanted to see after I heard that first announcement.

New Rose Hotel (1998) It's set in the same universe as Johnny Mnemonic, stars Christopher Walken, Willem Dafoe, and Asia Argento. I love Gibson stories and the short story it's based on, while not one of his best, could make a good creepy weird movie especially with that cast. Unfortunately it is one of the most boring movies I've sat through at least half a dozen times.

A few favorites:
Constantine
The Last Jedi
Jupiter Ascending
Minority Report
Prometheus
Valerian
Logan's Run
- I love Constantine, and genuinely do not get the hate that film got. Sure it was different from the comics, but it was good in its own right, and the casting and acting (with the exception of that guy from Even Steven) was spot on
- Constantine and Minority Report shouldn't be on that list, IMO. The former in particular is very well executed and thoroughly enjoyable!
- I'll be that guy that enjoyed The Last Jedi explicitly because it was something different, and leaned into more of the mystical side of the force while on the "big screen."
  
  I think episode 7, 8, 9 would have been better if 7 had flipped the script rather than being a story analog to 4. Whole movie could have been largely the same, but rather than the Resistance stopping the First Order at the end, let the First Order win - let Starkiller Base succeed in blowing up the Resistance' base planet and achieve, for all intents and purposes, total victory. It would have come as a shock to viewers (especially given how close the macro plot adhered to episode 4), and they could have made the rest of the new trilogy about the scattered remnants of the resistance trying to get their shit together and field some kind of opposition against overwhelming, impossible odds.
  
  In response to your spoiler:
  I specifically didn’t like that scene because it’s a massive departure from the lore of all the other films. If they could just do that, why haven’t both sides been doing that all the time? Is it supposed to be that this group is the first group to try this, with the tech that has been around for at least a few centuries? If they had all died in the process I’d be more ok with that, although that also seems like a departure from how hyperspace works in the other films.
  
  I was ok with using the ship as a suicidal torpedo, but I wasn't ok with a single person being able to fully maneuver the thing all by herself, or the ensuing space rip conveniently doing that V shape and getting all 3 ships.
  But the bombing run at the beginning of the movie really set the tone for "Prepare to be sorely disappointed"
  
  The Last Jedi was a good movie, it just wasn't a good Star Wars movie.
- Constantine and Minority Report don’t belong on the list tbh. And I say that as a fan of the Hellblazer comics, and someone who doesn’t care for Tom Cruise.
- Bruh Constantine is one of my favorite films ever. It's so fucking awesome!
  
  Keanu reeves is such a weird casting choice. He's playing a guy from manchester and all he can do is play himself, like in every movie he does.

The ideas behind They Live are fascinating and deserved better treatment than a 20-minute alley fight about sunglasses.
- I love that movie, and that fight scene, but damn you're right.
  
  Thank you! I was being as tactful as possible, since negative statements about any aspect of that movie whatsoever, or the acting skills of Roddy Piper, usually receive nothing but douchevotes and insults lol. It's a very entertaining movie.

Timeline! The movie was completely forgettable but the concept was pretty cool. I loved the book.

They Live (1988)
- I will upvote you, but i must disagree. It was executed flawlessly for 75% of the film. Hell, even the "project 2025" beat towards the end was pretty spot on.
  If I may ask, what would you have done to change what you didn't like?
  
  The fight scene where the main character was trying to get Keith David's character to try on the glasses... that was legendary. I've never seen another (serious) fight scene come close to how hard it made me laugh. 10/10 for that. I imagine Roddy was so familiar with fight choreography from being a professional wrestler that he just got the green light to go ALL OUT and both actors nailed it.
  
  The premise was powerful, the plot and character development were good, but it seems like the ending of the screenplay got rewritten, and it wound up being a standard issue Rambo-style shoot em up, when it had the opportunity to end on a different, more powerful note that left the viewer thinking about how this relates to themselves, and our own society.
  
  Please excuse all the replies, I just love discussing the movie. It's still one of my favorites, but I would love to see some other production company film a different ending and release an alternate version with a powerful ending. Think how "Arrival" (Amy Adams, Jeremy Renner) made you feel at the end. I feel like "They Live" could've been that good, but maybe it was before it's time, and they had to cater to the box office of the time.
  
  I wonder what the original screenplay looked like. It starts so powerfully, but takes such a vivid downturn at the end to appeal to the masses demanding shootouts and explosions. I suspect the ending was rewritten in order to get green lit for production, because the original ending might've been too cerebral for general audiences. I imagine the original ending probably made you think, and generally that's not what the masses like from their movies. Kind of ironic considering the plot of the film, don't you think?

Eragon.
There is a reason that most fans pretend the film never happened
- What film? as I look from my bed to my bookshelf with all 4 books

Quite a few MST3K films have a decent premise IMO, but lacked either the budget or the talent to make enough of them.
Eg Time Chasers (which isn't really all that bad), The Skydivers, Moon Zero Two, Rocket Attack USA, Stranded in Space, and perhaps even Manos: The Hands of Fate.
With the right people, I think those and others could have been very decent movies.

What was that anime where you wear a VR headset and if you die in-game, you die in real life?
Ya that one
- that's pretty much a whole manga subgenre now
- Sword Art Online had a pretty decent few opening episodes, it just.... for some reason decided to go full-blown Knights of Sidonia and turn itself into a weird harem anime.
  
  I HIGHLY recommend the SAO Abridged series. It's one of the few "parody/satire" projects that actually makes the original story better and most regard SAO Abridged as the better version as a whole.
  "You see, there's no need to wonder where your God is! Cause he's right here. And he's fresh out of mercy."
- Spy Kids 3D
- What Sword Art Online Alternative. Amazing plot and characters.

Christian Bale faking an actually decent London accent, Gerard Butler being a loveable scot, and Matthew McCaughnehey doing his best Norse/Spartan Warrior impression?
Horrible acting all around (except Bale at times), the lead female character was basically there to soothe/flirt with the lead (wish i was joking), you can barely understand anyone, and yet really impressive set/castle and overall atmosphere. You believe you are there, and that the world is gone.
Huge gaps in logic on the hunting patterns of dragons, helicopters seem to run on infinite fuel, and the final plan to take down the main dragon is just stupid at best.... but the execution of fighting dragons in the air with nets dropped by guys without parachutes was a phenomenol air sequence.
Also, the dragon CGI holds up. You never quite see it, but when you do, you believe it's there, and the CGI team did a great job with consistency in that the dragons are always depicted expelling fluid that they ignite, and you see it every time they cast fire.
Phenomenol movie, and one of the best opening 5 minutes in terms of origin story. Just a lot of bad acting, and some questionable feats in logic plot-wise.
- I'm a crazy, or did you completely fail to mention what movie you're describing?
  
  https://lemmy.ml/post/30029796/18578529
- It took me a while to figure out what movie you were talking about. But it's "dragons invade the modern world, with Christian Bale!" (I can't remember the name)
  
  reign of fire
  
  Eragon: Returns
- Christian Bale is English. His accent in Reign of Fire is not far off his normal accent.
  
  You are shitting me!
- I remember being extremely well entertained by awesome dragons, and that's it. Which means you're probably correct.
  What Bale's native accent?
  
  https://lemmy.ml/post/30029796/18578697

Tusk
- Came here to say this. That movie showed me depths of fear I didn't know I had yet, it could have had better production values.
  
  this is a kevin smith movie tho
- The fact that it all came from just brainstorming while baked on a podcast and then just doing the thing is what I respect about it. It didn't need to be something that the majority of people would like. It stuck to the layout basically completely, and didn't give a fuck. Was also cool that the actors really committed to the bit.

Downsizing
First 20 minutes (give or take) seemed like a solid start. But then they did absolutely nothing with the concept.
- Oof. Horrible movie. Bad Matt Damon!
- What was pitched as social commentary was just a nothing burger of an adventure.
- It kind of did just wander.

Highlander II
The Dark Tower
It's a long list but these two were painful.
- Mind you, Highlander II would've made more sense as a non-Highlander movie that just revolves around space aliens dealing with Earth having a planetary shield now. As a sequel to Highlander its premise was really weird.
- Fuck The Dark Tower. That movie doesn't exist for me. Total waste.
- The premise of Highlander 2 was awful, too, though.
- Highlander 2 is unsalvageable. That movie sucked so bad it wasn't even fun to watch with friends to make fun of it

Equilibrium
- The gun fights were weird but fun, and his redemption arc was self-indulgent at best. But yes, very cool 1984 concept and sone pretty stunning visual action scenes

The live action transformers movies.
Although I almost never think about it.
And I only saw the first thirty minutes of the first movie.
- I've watched all of them. I was a TF fan as a kid. I watched it every morning before school and on Saturday mornings. The movies just....I don't know. The first one was the best of the live action. Bumblebee maybe. All of them felt more machine like, except the stupid peeing...wtf...
  That said, they were not great. The story, on concept, seemed ok. The execution sucked. The acting was not great. The tropes were un needed, didn't even really fit in, and just plain stupid at best. Mostly they were irritating. Like someone dragging their nails on a chalk board in the middle of a mediocre movie.
  The last couple felt more like an attempt at hero porn. [que "heroic" music, lame Walberg lines where he wields some weapon that makes no sense, then lots of booms. Don't forget the meaningless jumping, falling all over the place, and special forces that lean more on the special than forces.]
  The only good thing that came out of them was the limited re release of the OG toys. I managed to finally snag an Optimus and a couple others.
  
  The best thing about the cartoon was Optimus Prime being 'best tv dad', megatron/galvatron's evil laugh and speeches, soundwave's voice, starscream scheming, starscream being killed off for being a whiny backstabber too many times, the art, the touch and the fact that all of the supporting cast that were good in their own right.
  
  Look I'm a simple man, I can't get enough of Optimus Prime's stellar voice work. :D
  It's not an incredible franchise. But hey I think they had some fun with a series that was basically designed to sell 80's toys lol.
- I watched it until the Megan Fox car breakdown scene and figured it wouldn't get better than that and stopped there. I don't remember anything else from the movie.
  I admit that it surprised me it did well enough for sequels, when better films didn't, but I guess that's The Public for you.
  
  It didn't. I managed to stay until one of the autobots had to take a leak. I was too insulted at that point. Megan Fox came across as an absolute bore, but of course the guy has to stammer and stumble and try to impress the dead weight.

I am 100% convinced they had a masterpiece and then test audiences didn't get it and they went and changed everything around and added the prologue and gave away the entire twist at the start by explicitly telling the viewer where and when we are. Also made the dinosaurs weird for .... reasons...?
- Oof. Having the statue of liberty there on the opening credits of Planet of the Apes
  
  Like that, yes.
- Wow, I watched that on opening night and there were like three people in the whole room. I don't remember much about it, but what really bugged me was the whole start of the film. A spaceship that is designed to travel fully automatically and immediately fails when there's a small asteroid field in its path? Absolute BS.

The Last Jedi was an amazing deconstruction of Star Wars. I don't think better execution would have helped it with a fan base that wants to be stuck in the past reliving the hero's journey ad nauseam but it had a lot more potential than you see on screen.
- Disagree. The first two sequels kept making a defeated bad empire stronger and stronger without any explanation. The rebels then suddenly became just 400 to 20 people. A different type of journey would have been welcomed with open arms if clever enough.
  And I think embracing the jedi, but killing the wars aspect, rather than trying to destroy the jedi but keeping the wars it would have been a much better answer to the franchise.
- with a fan base that wants to be stuck in the past reliving the hero's journey ad nauseam
  This seems counter to most complaints I've seen about the movie that they just rehashed the original trilogy.
  
  That is an apt criticism of TFA and TRoS, but not TLJ at all.
- It's a bad star wars movie because of the hyperspace ram.
  SciFi inherently requires suspension of disbelief and so I find the way these types of stories ground themselves is through the rules they set. For example fire/explosions don't really make sense in space but its a consistent thing so w/e.
  Hyperspace ramming breaks the entire concept of Star wars BC why hasn't anyone done it before? Its the perfect weapon for asymmetrical warfare, its cheap and its very effective. Imagine how a weapon like that could be used with a robot piloting a junk ship, why even build a death star just strap a bunch of garbage to a hyperspace drive and ram it into a planet. Its so effective that every fight in the future needs to consider it as well.
  I'd defend this movie far more if it didn't do this. But it didn't only damage its own movie it damaged every story star wars has told retrospectively.
  
  As I recall, hyperspace is like a pocket dimension. They just speed up a whole lot to enter hyperspace. So you can't collide with things 'in hyperspace', but only as you're going really fast while transitioning to hyperspace, which is quite a bit more limited in capability.
  Hyperspace drives are expensive, and droids are sentient (so its still suicidal). Using it as a weapon would be like having an shotgun in an fps game, where the first 5 feet is extremely lethal to really big targets, whereas anything after that is a waste of time. Also each shot is $10k.
  The real question would be why didn't she just splat against the cruiser's shields as they established that was a problem in the previous movie (when they need to hyperspace through the shielding of that planet), unless they had a Galaxy Quest moment where they forgot to flip the shields on.
- How Ben and Luke tell the story of how the latter nearly killed his nephew could've used better execution/storytelling, that alone would significantly reduce the amount of discussion on how the movie "killed his character"
  
  I really hate what they did to Luke's character. It felt like they deliberately trashed him and everything he stood for so some random nobody gimmick character doesn't look as 2-dimensional. :(
  The Ben Swolo memes were hilarious though.
- I think I'm really unusual in that I dislike almost everything after IV. I think the first film was brilliant, back when Lucas was fighting for money and had to rely on vision and had Campbell to advise with. After that it was all introducing cutesy characters strictly for marketing, they all lacked the charm of the original.
  I know I'm an exception. Nearly everyone liked V and/or VI more. Everyone dunks on Jar Jar, but I could not stand the Ewoks. It was so disgustingly blatant.
  At the time I was dying for sequels, and when they finally came I was so disappointed. You know, I think I just realized that it was the Vader/Luke connection that sunk it for me. That all of the major characters had to be related somehow made the universe smaller, and more petty. They only got worse after that; I think I watched all of I-III, but I actively hated those.
  Anyway, I think there might have been a path, and I'm no story teller so I couldn't fix it, but I think the while thing went off the rails after IV.
  Good friends have told me the Mandelorian was good, but "Baby Yoda" represents everything I loathed about the series and I refuse to watch it.
  Anyway, what were you saying about the Hero's Journey? Maybe I should watch The Last Jedi, because while the Campbell formula worked for the first film, it didn't improve any of the sequels, so maybe I'd like it. As long as there are no obviously pandering character designs that exist clearly because they can easily be marketed as toys. Looking at you, BB-8.
  
  Out of curiosity, have you seen Andor at all?
  I won't push you to watch Star Wars since it seems like you've landed where you have for good reason, but if in the event you were looking to give any piece of Star Wars media another chance, Andor is the one I'd choose.
  
  There are a bunch of adorable space critters that you’ll think are that when you’re watching the movie, and they certainly were marketed and merchandised like crazy, but they’re actually there due to the unwanted presence of adorable Earth critters during filming. They couldn’t shoot the scenes without including these birds that lived where they were shooting so the solution they came up with was CGI-ing weird faces on them and including some close-ups to make them look deliberate.
- i love TLJ so much i skipped the rest of the movies
  if you also like TLJ you should watch Kagemusha and When the Last Sword is Drawn and 13 Assassins
- I understand your point, but imagine you go to the movies expecting to watch [something you like] and it's actually a two hours long lecture on how [something you like] is dumb and bad.
- Never watched it, but am intrigued. How so?
  
  Rian Johnson is a master of deconstructing genres.
  if you went this long without watching it I won't spoil it but to say the themes are not typical of the rest of the franchise and the fans hated it for that.
- I'm also pro-TLJ, but I do think it could have done with a few tweaks to the script to catch some stuff. In terms of how it looked and was acted on the moment-to-moment scale they nailed it though, so I'm not sure if that falls under "better execution"
  
  I mean it's a high budget Disney film, the script should be the only place for improvement.

The Last Jedi. Bombers in zero gravity but it's Star Wars, you continue to watch no matter what.

No Country For Old Men - a slice of life movie about living in Texas.
- No way it’s mediocre 😆

Not a film, but a novel:
Starflight 3000 by R.W. Mackelworth
If I remember, it was about this asteroid called "The Biosphere" that got hollowed out and sent on relativistic speeds through deep space to seed other solar systems with human colonies. The inside of it was set up like a giant rural town with massive skies, and a foot print the size of New York. And that's a cool ass premise.
But the book was so fucking milquetoast and bland. I could not tell you anything about the protagonist, their challenges, or anything.
- That reminds me of The Inverted World by Christopher Priest. Cool idea about a city on tracks that must always move otherwise suffer spacetime distortions. Thats the only interesting part about the whole thing.
  
  Yeah, that's pretty similar, the main difference being the setting. For me, I can only really tolerate books if they're science fiction for some reason.
  But yeah, that book was so bad it honestly makes me want to take a crack at the idea myself and see if I can do it better.
  I know I probably can't, I have very little writing experience. But it's gotta be at least worth the attempt.

Idiocracy.
Loved the idea. Film itself... meh
- I feel the opposite, the premise is an endorsement of eugenics that looks like it was written by that mother-goose ass neo-natalist couple
  The actual film is a decent turn off your brain stoner comedy
- I think I read that the studio insisted on changes that annoyed Mike Judge. Pootie Tang met the same fate. They should have just let professional comedians release whatever but some studio executive didn’t get the jokes and was like, “This movie won’t appeal to suburban fathers over 45.” or whatever.
  In my experience, it often comes out that all of the shitty parts of comedy movies are not the fault of the creators. But comedians aren’t given creative freedom like Scorsese or whomever and also are like, “Make whatever edits you want. I made a stupid movie with my friends. You got my check?”
  
  yeah read that Caddyshack was made in florida instead of california because they didn't want the studios breathing down their necks.

The Man from Earth
B4
Triangle
Time Lapse
Daybreakers
Evolution
Knowing
- The Man From Earth is definitely one I think about. The things he must have seen, must have done, that over time shaped him into who he was. Is he the embodiment of mankind, as well as its own self-hatred? The religious stuff was a bit much. I still haven't seen the sequel, with genuine anxiety to.
  Daybreakers is also a good one. A bit deus-ex with the "solution" at the end, but very good thought experiment
  
  The sequel's plot is somehow weak with a couple of cringe moments. Given the twist is revealed in part one, the movie expresses one of many solutions to what should be free roaming of your own thoughts after the first film.
  Sequels can be awful at destroying the 'blew my mind' effect in general by streamlining a great, open idea to a specific plot I guess.
- Knowing is soooo frustrating. Great premise, Nic Cage Nic Caging tha fuck out of everything. Then it seems like the writer hit a block and turned to a random word generator that spit out "space angels" and called it a day.
  Still 2/3 of an interesting movie.

Mutant Chronicles, except i don't think about it normally, but immediately comes to mind when somebody asks similar question. Also it wasn't mediocre, it was incredibly bad and the second biggest disapointment movie ever for me (worst was Starship Troopers 2).
- Premise seems pretty cool (mutant/zombie machine), and I guess it's kind of a cool but forgettable action flick?
  
  I played a lot of tabletop and card games in this universe in 90's so i was pretty excited for a movie, and while it was forgettable (but also bad) action flick its main fault was that it has basically nothing in common with the Mutant Chronicles universe.
  It's like getting "Lord of the RIngs" movie, but about some gang war in a village southeast of Umbar.