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  • I like that we have/need new books to re-report information that was widely known decades ago because of how easy it is to sell propaganda to the west. We have actual documentaries, made by the west at the time of Tiananmen, that completely contradicts the massacre narrative that was invented years later. lol. Libs really will believe anything as long as it comes from the mouth of some oligarch backed talking head.

  • Thread I wrote about Tiananmen: https://twitter.com/prolewiki/status/1666492127730098208 (Thread reader link due to Musk fuckery on twitter)

    CIA-funded leader Chai Ling crying crocodile tears hoping students will be shot while she herself deadpan says she'll be out of the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A. She was later extradited by the CIA during Operation Yellowbird and now lives in the USA.

    • Yeah, that was one of the more fucked up sections of the video I posted, is her crying into a camera. The way she starts crying because the students kept trying to have a peaceful resolution with the government instead of getting themselves massacred... Their entire goal was go try and get as many of their fellow students killed as possible to have as propaganda footage. Like who watches that and then sympathizes with her? Who sees someone crying, because the people under her were trying to be reasonable and not provoke a needless massacre, and thinks "Oh that poor girl. Having to deal with these people that don't want to get killed for the CIA." ?"

      • I mean,

        Anti communists
        are weird, perverse freaks and many of them would happily murder the entire human population if they thought it would keep people from helping each other and making the world better.

    • God she is such a toolbag. "You need to all go get yourselves killed even though none of you wanted a violent confrontation and many wanted market liberalization to stop and for communist economics to be re-instated! Others just wanted a loosening of socially conservative norms so they could hold hands with their partners without getting dirty looks in public. But what you need to do is start a violent conflict with your PLA comrades for no clear reason. I won't do it of course, because I am too important to die for the cause that literally only me and like seven other people here care about!"

    • I always enjoy re-watching the full "Tank Man" video, with the "brutal Chinese tanks" awkwardly trying to bypass the protestor and patiently waiting him out. I think libs just see that single frame and fill the gaps with their own experiences in their countries in thinking that the guy got ran over or something. If you try that with a secret service car they might do just that.

  • Sorry for the shitpost reply, but, lol no shit.

    Edit: just wait till you find out about what Gaddafi actually did and how the USG used him as a virtual supervillain to fund our adventures in the Levant. The USG and their mouthpieces always lie.

    • I mean Gaddafi was by many political and social measures somewhat reactionary, due to some aspects of his nationalism, religious orientation (traditional Islam is reactionary; he was resolutely anti-communist and anti-Marxist because of its perceived atheism), as well as traditionalist views of women, despite being more progressive in this respect that that conservative Islamic figures or Islamists. There was an immense concentration of wealth around Gaddafi, although there was also undoubtedly a massive restribution of wealth and improvement in quality of life, I don't think it amounted to a genuinely socialist society. In any case, the meaning of his use of the term 'socialism' was not what Marxist mean, although there were some properties in common.

      Ofc you are correct that this becomes irrelevantly weaponized by Western imperialism. The reason Gaddafi was removed was because he was promoting an alterative international monetary system to the dollar, presumably underwritten by Libyan (and allied countries') oil. More generally the anti-imperialist geopolitical policy of the Libyan state clearly played a key role, having targeted foreign capital the moment he came to power. There was probably also a central role being played by the French regime's special forces and intelligence under Sarkozy, as the latter had confirmed links with Gaddafi. A lot of investigative reporting has indicated that Gaddafi was threatening Sarkozy to go public with the fact Gaddafi has brided him. If seems that French intelligence located Gaddafi and likely organized the manpower who actually merked him.

      • Yeah, thanks for getting my main point, I didn't mean to imply he was an actual communist, just that he was a useful boogeyman for the West, until he wasn't useful anymore.

      • religious orientation (traditional Islam is reactionary

        iirc correctly he had a pretty weird conception of Islam that was a deviation from most of the traditional schools of jurisprudence, but admittedly i don't know many details.

        iirc a bunch of European and American special forces spookys who absolutely were not supposed to be there got caught in Libya during the insurrection.

        Good post.

    • The CIA also helped transfer weapons from Libya to Syria and, well that's where ISIS got their guns from.

  • The whole Tiananmen thing is so ridiculous. Chinese government's official estimate? ~300 deaths. People who were in the square? No one died in the square, good mood between soldiers and students, soldiers asked students to leave when dickass CIA plant started trying to start a riot, students left with no problems, ~300 people were killed (including PLA soldiers, many of whom were unarmed!) in fighting several blocks from the square. Every credible source that wasn't just making up unhinged bullshit - About 300 people died.

    It's so damn frustrating, it's just pure, utter bullshit but libs believe it with nigh-religious ferver and certainty.

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