8mo ago

Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"

www.cbsnews.com Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says victory in Gaza will mean the enclave being "entirely destroyed," Palestinians leaving for other countries.

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Israel is the modern day Nazi regime and we need to stop mincing words about it.
- The worst one, but not the only one
  
  No doubt.
- Thats why our nazi president is making sure it's illegal to say bad things about the Israeli government, like knows like

Oh? Is Israel finally letting Palestinians have free travel so that they actually can leave or is "leave in great numbers" a euphemism for the ongoing genocide?
- I would say genocide. It's Israel. Come on now.
  
  ~~As would I, hence I did. But the quote was from an Israeli official.~~
  I think I might have read the comment I replied to wrong. It seems to me now they were choosing the second option of my original comment.
- There is a word in ancient Greek which has the precise meaning "to entirely destroy" by fire. Maybe we need to start calling this what it is: a holocaust of Gaza.
- They can leave in bodybags...

This is fucking evil manifest.
- Yeah, it's Israel.

Like a... Pogrom?
- A big genocidal pogrom. The biggest pogrom.

I hope I live to see Israel, in its current form, entirely destroyed. I want to believe that there are consequences to being this evil.
- Its a noble dream. But for Israel to ever face justice their largest and fiercest backer - the nation that is often the only one that votes to protect them in UN votes, and the one that has almost singlehandedly turned them into a military superpower in the middle east - the USA - must get its house in order first.
  There is zero chance of much changing on Israel while Republicans or the conservative wing of the Democrats are in power, and especially while Trump is president. That's not to say it can't change, but there are multiple hurdles: so, I hope you live a long time and see a lot of positive changes throughout your life.
  
  The US doesn't need to "get it's house in order".
  It also needs to (and seems on the path to) be destroyed in its current form.
  With global trade inevitably shifting away from the unstable US, Military embarrassments against small impoverished organizations like the houthis, and diplomacy entirely built around leveraging those 2 things....it seems much more likely the US turns into a nuclear armed former superpower than that it maintains it's global status and changes to actually use said status for good.
  
  The US is witholding funds to the UN. Pretty soon, the world will just move on without them.
  
  This makes me think about Handmade’s Tale. I’ve been watching it a lot recently and it makes you wonder what happened to Israel in this timeline. I’d guess Israel’s support from Gilead would have dropped to zero. They were likely fucked given that the Jewish people here were deported and put on boats that never actually made it to Israel. Just a random thought brought about by your comment.
- Climate change has entered the chat

To all those who stood up against "Genocide Joe":
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Know that your internet slacktivism has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.
- You and everyone who repeats the “I hope you’re happy now” really are not helping. You’re mad, I’m mad, but please please get your fill of catharsis/smug self righteousness elsewhere please, blaming non/voters isn’t going to rebuild the Obama coalition that delivered a supermajority in Congress. The Democrats lost the youth turnout, Palestine (Russian/astroturf bots or no) were not the sole factor but a sharp tipping point that laid out reality bare.
  
  Im not at all surprised that young voters who became politically aware during the Obama era or later were gradually disenchanted and sat this round out; when you look at it from their timeline they did all the right democracy things and got shit on over and over
  Organic enthusiasm for Bernie in the primary, sabotaged by superdelegates - your vote doesn’t matter, we pick not you plebs and in their mind that action brought Trump 2016
  George Floyd’s livestreamed murder and BLM protests - no structural change or even federal police reform passed
  The kids yet again come out and do the right thing by voting Biden in 2020, and watch more politicking and focus-tested soft liberalism rule the day. Rail strike busted. East Palestine spill without serious investigation or reform. Debt ceiling negotiations and kowtowing - everything will stay the same
  Oct 7 happens, then the Israeli bombing campaign begins and Biden openly castigates activists and doubles down on supplying the IDF - how dare you plebs question your leader
  Protests persist, organize and clearly make their demands known, even send a warning shot in the primary… receiving only empty words from leadership - they are not going to do what you want
  The DNC platforms two Jewish parents of a Hamas hostage at the convention, but refuses to allow a Dem Rep to speak with pre-vetted remarks - we don’t even want to hear from you
  And nothing substantial happened that might change their mind. Kamala rode that same trajectory through her campaign, even as VP she had a harder stance on Israel that suddenly evaporated once she was appointed the nominee.
  Its genocide - the crime of all crimes - and the Democratic Party refused to seriously discuss the topic in public. I cannot seriously blame them for giving up on a party that refused to listen to them in good faith, and disappointed them time after time. That’s on the DNC for throwing that demographic away, and we need to recognize that. They’re not voting for Republicans ffs but they’ve received the message that they and their vote, isn’t important to the Democrats.
  
  Absolutely this.
  Anyone denying the clear signals of despair from young voters is coping. Idk why anyone is getting mad at people demanding progress from dems at a time when there's no risk of electoral losses - makes me think those people are actually just carrying water for ani-reform neoliberal fascists.
  
  Genocide is the ultimate crime huh?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izium_mass_graves
  Or the genocide starting in America of people with skin the same color as I have.
  It's Trump, no matter who the dems put up you weren't voting for them, you were voting against a rapist, pedophile traitor.
- What a joke. At the start of this genocide in late 2023 Blinken was floating the idea of "evacuating" the population of Gaza into Sinai. He distanced himself when it was clear Mahmoud Abbas would not agree to it.
  There was a recent report that In 15 months Biden did precisely nothing to pressure Israel into a ceasefire to the extent that the Israelis "thanked god" for having such an obsequious President.
  https://israelpalestinenews.org/biden-officials-admit-they-never-pressured-israel-for-ceasefire/
  He did however give them everything they needed for the extermination campaign and blocked every Security Council resolution.
  He also set the stage for demonising students. 4 university heads were removed for tolerating Palestine protestors.
  The only difference between Trump and Biden with respect to the genocide is that Trump isnt hiding behind crocodile tears.
  Stop trying to memory hole Biden. We haven't forgotten.
- Maybe people wouldn't call him "Genocide Joe" if he hadn't backed a genocide. I always find it amazing that people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money, who chose genocide over winning the election.
  
  I always find it amazing that people blame the voters
  I think people are blaming the people who didn't vote. They thought they were sending the message "I don't like genocide", but that was ignorant of them.
  The message they sent was "Eh, either is fine. I'm fine with Trump or Harris. Whatever". And then they took the moral high ground for doing so.
- Biden supported Israel and did nothing to stop this.
  Kamala as VP and nominee, supported Israel and did nothing to stop this.
  Now Trump supports Israel and is doing nothing to stop this.
  OMG, they're perspectives are so different on this topic!!1! 😱 😱
- jsyk, the majority of 'genocide joe' social media posts were right wing propaganda
  I mean sure there were some that chose not to vote because of Gaza, but the number doesn't really make a difference in the final count.
  More people abstained due to sexism honestly
  
  I'm not sure thats true. Many people had legitimate concerns that Biden was backing a genocide. I've never seen any stats showing that they were right-wing posts. Plenty of left-wing people were mad about that as well.
  Hillary won the popular vote when she ran. I think most people abstained because Harris was a terrible candidate, who ran on terrible policies that went against what the voter-base wanted.
- Honestly, who the hell cares.
  Americans of every race made their choice in 2024 and there's no point in speculating what the losing party would have done.
  The reality is what it is and we're under Trump now.
  As long as those Americans understand what their vote was for and can live with it, that's what matters and I'm 100% okay with my vote and I can live with it.
  
  I care.
  More importantly, as a non-white American watching a genocide start at home, it very much matters who and what people voted (or didn't vote) for.
  What really pisses me off is people saying democrats would have been just as bad, while we watch people drug off by thugs in black body armor to El Salvador to die without due process.
  I think it's safe to speculate that that wouldn't have happened under the alternative.
- To all those who stood with Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney:
  MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
  Know that your support for genocide helped usher in Trump & has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.
  
  The 'no u' defense doesn't really work here
  
  The cope of liberals thinking that Kamela 'most lethal military' Harris was going to be any different on foreign policy are brain dead.

United States of Aipac will approve, does not matter reps or dems.
- European sanctions also apparently never.
  
  Watch as they spin this and sanction Jordan or Egypt.

I couldn't finish the article because of how horrific the descriptions of kids suffering were.
- I'm not going to read the article because I've read enough already to be fucking sickened by it.

He should have been more eloquent. I'm pretty sure there's an ancient word that means "to entirely destroy by fire"... If he had used that instead, it would be more clear what he means.
It's not even news anymore to see these shitty blood-glutted war criminals' gloating, completely conveniently forgetting the hypocrisy. Perhaps we need to simply call this what it is, by this man's very definition here: it is a holocaust of Gaza.

I was told many times that the extremists who hold this agenda in Israel are a small minority and do not represent Israel or have much power over its policy.
- If they are the minority, why does Netanyahu keep getting reelected?
  
  It's what I'm asking myself.
- Netanyahu isn't seen as an extremist within Israeli politics. Zionism has always been fascist and always had the agenda of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
  
  Probably the same kind of ignorance of other countries' perspective that makes Americans think the political center is somewhere between the US Republicans and the US Democrats.

Israel is an evil country. Israel is the country with the most war criminals per capita. If the Israeli people do not do something significant in the coming months, they will be complicit in the atrocities committed by the IDF.

Like blocking the vent on a pressure cooker, this is no doubt going to blow up in their face.

Pretty sure they are leaving already. But just in coffins like Israel wanted.

With widespread Kahanism, they did not learn everything from their past.

And go where, jackass?
- Presumably either Egypt or the West Bank. Well... Until Israel decides they want that too and start bombing the shit out of that.

Then Zion will not have victory.

I hope one day the same will happen to Israel and Israelians and I hope no one will care anymore.
- Or here's a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and "I deserve this land because X" is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
  
  No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It's an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.
  The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They're not invaders. They're indigenous to the land.
  
  Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no 'both sides' when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights
  Edit:
  For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It's been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.
  In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
  
  That's what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it's not different when we do it, for "reasons." The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.
- Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.
  It's a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians
  
  Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of "once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we'll give them a very stern telling off."
  This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won't look any better than that.

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