Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week

Yeah, obviously it's a glorified puppet state but there's no point in arguing from that standpoint here. If a country is to exist, it should know about local air traffic, that's all I'm saying.

Taiwhat? I Thought it was called the Republic of China, and everyone's been telling me China bad!

Cool, so lets ask the people living there (not those in power) what they want with their country.

... oh.

That's exactly what type of traffic these articles are alerting. Which is why there's no need to even pay attention to it.

Also Thailand has had Chinese military visit it's country as well as trained with Chinese soldiers. If you know so little, why comment?

I literally quoted the part that you just also quoted, which specifies that some of the craft were merely in the ADIZ, the one thing I was talking about in my comment

I'm so tired of the notion that anyone not being in line with certain narratives is automatically considered a drone.

So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now.

Amazing how comfortable you are being racist on a public forum.

Anyway, people should look at this map and take note of how far Taiwan's ADIZ extends into Fujian province of mainland China and the open ocean (which is the southwest corner the PRC's airplanes were supposedly encroaching on). These articles are obviously published to make China seem more aggressive than it really is. Meanwhile the US, with the most powerful navy in the world, parades its warships through the Taiwan strait, which for some reason is not seen as a threat or provocation. Also Taiwan claims the mainland as its own territory. Oh, poor little Taiwan. Lol, get off it.

You both quoted the same exact piece of text. You said they didn't read the article but you didn't even bother to read their comment?

You are calling a human being a bot, literally dehumanizing them, because they don't have the same hatred of China as you. You should really check yourself. You are full of hatred and ideological poison. It is clear from your comment that you have limited literacy skills and understanding, you should check out some other perspectives and try to broaden your horizons. Here is one. This is also another incredible resource with a lot of essays and information with a different perspective

Everyone who disagrees with me must be a bot.

I bet your response will contain one of more of the following: Winnie the Pooh, social credit, comrade, Uyghurs. Yet you call others bots, lmao.

Bro the amerikkkan navy sails it's boats there. Silence, drone.

lemmy.ca

of fucking course lol, ugh

So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now

back to reddit with you

RandAlThor, more like AynRandAlThor

Bruh lmao

lemmy.ml stands for mega-lib smdh

"or"

not "and", "or".

The southwestern quadrant of Taiwan's ADIZ overlaps with China's ADIZ. If anything, Taiwan is overclaiming their ADIZ.

First day? Lemmygrad brigades every worldnews thread about China or Russia.

"Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan's air defence zone on Wednesday"

The article says ADIZ, not airspace.

It's still international airspace, so it's a moot point.

The southwestern quadrant still includes a bit of mainland China and is mostly outside of the Strait, not to mention that all of the Strait is still in the ADIZ.

394 from the perspective of Hexbear. The pre-emptive lemmy.world defederation with Hexbear effectively splits big threads like this into two sections. At the top is the much higher activity Hexbear posting, and at the bottom is the lower activity lemmy.world posting where instead of substantive discussion, people who are in support of China just get downvoted to oblivion.

Ironically, Hexbear's total removal of downvotes on their end confers an advantage here. Discussions and dunkings involving a lot of Hexbear users tend to rise to the top of threads sorted by hot because the lack of downvotes promotes actual discussion upon disagreement. This results in higher activity levels than those produced by the passive downvoting behavior typical of more reddit-like instances.

Been telling y'all the past couple weeks lol

That literally only happened because the USSR and China would not and could not vote on it (respectively) because the UN was insisting that the KMT who only controlled taiwan were the legitimate representatives of china, and the USSR was boycotting the UN votes on principle.

The point isn't "UN is infallible" the point is "Even anti-communist countries in the UN agreed that PRC is the legitimate government of all of China."

Claiming a territory against the will of its people is exactly what imperialism is

In case you're interested in learning more about imperialism from a Marxist perspective, I'd recommend Lenin's Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. You don't have to agree with it, but I don't believe you can have a complete understanding of the way Global South countries have been exploited and subjugated in the last century or so without being aware of the arguments made in this book. The fact that so many of the post WW2 anti-colonial liberation movements were ML or MLM should tell you something.

Also, China doesn't have to claim anything. Elsewhere in this thread people have already pointed out that under International Law Chinese Taipei is already part of China. No country in the world recognizes the ROC or Taiwan as an independent country. To the extent that the populace of the island has a position on this, it's split between wanting to retain a special status within China or separatism. And let's be real here, no country in the world is down with separatist movements. Ask the Kurds, or the Basques, or the Catalonians, or the Chechens etc etc. Hell, let Texas try and secede and see what happens. Realistically, only once Capitalism and Nationalism are both dead and forgotten can humanity start to move away from this geopolitical reality.

Claiming a territory against the will of its people is exactly what imperialism is.

It is nothing less than colonisation.

You mean like when the KMT fled to Taiwan, brutalized the natives, and colonized it, imposing four decades of martial law?

Lenin undertook his detailed study of Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism in 1916, basing it on the research of an English economist named Hobson. His analysis continues to explain what is happening in the world today as we enter the 21st Century.

Lenin saw capitalism evolving into a higher stage. The key to understanding it was an economic analysis of the transition to monopoly: "...imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism." As Lenin would point out in another article written in 1916 (Imperialism and the Split in Socialism), imperialism was a new development that had been predicted but not yet seen by Marx and Engels.

Lenin provides a careful, 5-point definition of imperialism: "(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this "finance capital", of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed."

the bourgeoisie are increasingly compelled by a falling rate of profit to use their dominance of the state apparatus to open new markets or access to resource extraction

As a french dude...

Opinion rejected

You continue your shit hole's history of imperialism by dictating what is right and wrong for a colored mans nation to do in a faraway geopolitical situation you are largely uninformed about. And the fucking gall of using the bloody history of your barbaric country's colonial exploits as a way to give such pontifications some form of authority. Lmao shut the fuck up and sit down you arrogant bastard.

Last I checked liberals are all about respecting rules and international law, so we're just holding you to your own standards here.

So...you thought sharing a common language precluded having differing opinions? That's kinda astonishing, ngl

blame lemmy's terrible Active algo. It's a struggle session factory

wdym it's beautiful

Most of the shit in this comment section is perched on a pair of swollen pig balls.

Hexbear has never felt so united

The US is really only providing enough support to stall Russia and use up Ukrainian and Russian forces

The real question is the commitment of US allies that have already provided materiel support for Ukraine.

If it were WW3, the nukes would be flying and everyone in the northern hemisphere will be dead from famine in a year or two.

I assume NATO would officially swoop in and bomb the everliving fuck out of Russia's fleet and fortified positions before diverting their attention elsewhere. Basically giving Ukraine a much easier path forward.

Go cry more, nationalist

we need a victims of capitalism death toll that counts people who weren't born in the total.

China is fascist now, they can go on calling themselves communist in a vain attempt to have something resembling legitimacy. But any fool knows that when the ruling party is full of billionaires, that's no communist system.

They Chinese people are a great people and deserve a better government than the fascist regime lead by Winnie Xi Pooh.

ATTENTION

Your account has been flagged for CCP tankie shill-like activity. Please review These Nuts and never forget that Mao killed more people than Stalin and Hitler combined!

Only the US can do that, tankie

Echo chamber is when you get bullied for imperialist talking points, lack of critical thinking is lack of pro-america/pro-NATO propaganda.

Liberals are Illithids.

Oh, yes. Actual leftists that somehow support every action of a particular nation. Actual leftists who don't mind government control of information and gives incentives for supporting them publicly. Actual leftists that are ok with some people being removed from society because of the groups they belong to. Yep, totally sounds like actual leftists to me...

China is not leftist

You’ve been in a bubble

Yeah because when all these "lefts" come from seemingly one instance (maybe two) they are totally not "living in a bubble" on their own.

They're laughable. I've gotten like 30 replies to 1 comment and then they say "You seem mad" Yes....I'm the mad one. 🙄

Clearly, we've graduated from shitty fucking to just shitty.

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The specter of Hexbear

no more half measures walter

It's like porn to them

lemmygrads leaking, i guess

Well, I must admit that things are starting to get interesting in the comments section.

Excuse you, Lemmygrad is Hexbear-lite

communists are able to see weak lies like these, shocking! WowWEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Possibly, I didn't look where they're all from, nor do I know what hexbear is or why it's significant. Sounds like some kind of intra-Lemmy drama which I'm not too interested in. Just noticed a fair amount, lets say........not totally organic, seemingly agenda pushing comments.

Edit: Forget my previous comment. I now see the problem with Hexbear.

More like feral lemmygrad.

Got into an argument last week with somebody from Hexbear. Good to see the tankie trash being taken out.

There's a good number coming from Lemmygrad as well.

When I was back on Reddit comments like those would always be downvoted to hell.

It might be worth keeping in mind that Reddit has, for several years now, biased its moderation policy against the sort of voices who would object to OP, creating a neoliberal echochamber across most of the website.

If you can't cope with people with different political beliefs to you being allowed to post, maybe you should go back to reddit.

you left a Astro Turfed , hardcore censored Faschist Imperialistic Place that spends its time telling you US lies about its enemies .. things are Diffrent when you leave your hole , because You changed location , you now meet "non Rediitors" and Communist and all else thats forbidden on Reddit... , thereby you are Accuring an new Perspective ..

If its Scary for you then you need to run back where you came from .. where the Yellow Peril rules ..

Ugh. When I was back on Reddit comments like those would always be downvoted to hell.

The issue is there are a much higher percentage here because brigading wasn't allowed on reddit so they'd be banned for this type of activity. They come here and can do what they want, which is fine as long as it doesn't hurt other people doing what they want, which in this case is arguably happening because it clutters the comments with the same thing repeated over and over, and they are organized so it's all up voted. This doesn't make them the majority opinion though. It makes them the organized opinion. They are not the majority by any means, but they will make sure to come to China's defence whenever it's mentioned, where others won't bother.

We keep throwing books at you because we desperately wish you'd read.