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If you’ve heard that people have problems with the head of mastodon (gargron) this recent little incident might be an example.

The link is to a GitHub discussion, where gargron shuts down a discussion because he’s made a unilateral decision and then locks the thread to avoid debate.

On its own, it might not seem like much. Someone’s gotta make the decisions, right!? Except that this is a pretty dramatic shift for mastodon (leaning into search more) and the main ask was to provide two options rather than roll multiple things into one, which is pretty reasonable. Plus, why not get user feedback? Mastodon has plenty of users after all? Add to this that the main masto instance intends to federate with meta’s threads and gargron has signed an NDA, and the tin foil hat starts to come out.

Alone, not much of a big deal, but it’s an insight into why people find masto devs difficult (AFAIU).

EDIT: woah ... downvotes straight off of the bat ... which is fine ... but honestly, I'm not sure why the downvoting ... this was just an example of something some might find problematic ... feel free to discuss.

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  • The real problem is: People use mastodon and are not willing to use other fediverse-software...

    But there are so many of them out:

    • #friendica
    • #firefish
    • #misskey
    • #calckey
    • #pleroma
    • #akoma

    and a plethiora more of them... you can have all the features here, which are you missing on mastodon... but people love to complain about missing features than trying another software... #mastodonisnotthefediverse

    • First ... I totally agree.

      Second, firefish and calckey are the same thing (calckey rebranded to firefish).

      Third ... it's not just about software. I think that's superficial reasoning. There's a lot of patience, organisation and earned trust required before there's an instance with admins choosing to run a particular platform with a good number of users on there. The success of mastodon ought not, IMO, be (entirely) attributed to dumb luck.

      There's been a lot of persistent and committed work from gargron and mastodon, and the truth that many "platform diversity" types (including myself) run into is it's not the user's fault ... who's going to maintain, run, promote and support a platform and its early instances with commitments to decent performance, scalability and maintenance into the future? Calckey/firefish, for example, have actually kinda struggled recently, despite really trying and having an attractive platform, because they haven't been able to provide a stable and performant instance with even minor growth in users, nor a UI that works well on mobile. It's an uphill battle, and I don't think you can blame users for wanting some degree of trustworthiness from a platform before they jump in, however much of a chicken-egg problem it is.

      • mastodon wasn't stable or performant in the beginning either. It attracted users because there weren't other well known alternatives and those users were excited to build a new place where they felt comfortable. Gargron rode that excitement and enthusiasm until it didn't serve him anymore, then he shut those ppl out

      • i don't agree.

    • Problem is, like 80% of people are on Mastodon, and many features (quote posts being the most obvious one) require the people you're posting to to have the same interaction with the post.

      Using the quote post one for an example: If Mastodon never implements quote posts, what's the point? Most people will only see you posting links and it ruins the whole interaction you're looking for, so using another piece of software isn't going to help.

      In regards to people disagreeing with decisions that Mastodon makes (such as full text search like this), it's a bit more complicated. Depending on the feature as well, it's possible for the things you don't like about a feature to still affect you, even if your instance doesn't have it implemented. A LOT of people complained about universeodon.com having full text search, and there was nothing they could do about it (other than just blocking universeodon.com).

      I'm personally of the opinion that Mastodon should use its success and mindshare to be a little more like what people expect to get people on decentralised services (within reason - we still want good privacy controls and anti-abuse tools), and then other platforms (or instances!) can then take it further when it comes to things like no search, no quotes, etc. for insular and private communities that people want.

      • Mastodon should use its success and mindshare

        I keep coming back to this about mastodon. I don’t think it’s a good fediverse citizen especially given how big it is. It’s culture seems very self centred and selfishly ambitious.

    • Misskey all the way! MFM is way more fun than plain markdown

      • It certainly is! Given that’s it’s just in the front end it cocos be easily incorporated into lemmy. Not sure the devs would be down though because of performance issues.

  • The link is to a GitHub discussion, where gargron shuts down a discussion because he’s made a unilateral decision and then locks the thread to avoid debate.

    a PR is not the place for that discussion. Discussion is the place for Feature Discussions so I totally get his motivation to lock that part:

    I'm locking this before this devolves into another search feature debate. Your feedback has been noted.

    • a PR is not the place for that discussion.

      You're right, but gargron would do the same thing on an issue. He's done it before; it's how he handles disagreement.

  • I don't see anything wrong in the linked github link?

    Feature was added in accordance with project specification, then the thread was closed.

  • Was excited for mastodon, plemora and misskey. But now I think the future is nostr for micro and macro blogging.

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