3d ago

Who should americans be more concerned about: MS-13 or Russia?

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One of them is a heavily armed criminal gang which operates locally and engages in violent crime, murder, and human trafficking, the other is somewhere on the other side of the world and currently fairly busy expending massive amounts of military resources trying to occupy a few provinces of a neighboring country.
This feels like asking if you should be more worried about domestic rattlesnakes or lions in Africa.
- It’s cute that you think they’re all on the other side of the world. You must feel very safe.
  I envy you.
  
  I haven't heard of any armed, violent Russian criminal gangs operating on US territory in recent years, so yeah, I'm less worried about them than the ones that are known to operate here.
  
  Just wait…
  
  Okay. I'll check back in when the Russians are at my door.
  
  See, it’s funny because you think that everyone sharing this is insinuating that Russia’s army is here. Or that it’s being implied that they’re here en masse in any conceivable way.
  No one is saying this-
  But if you think the White House isn’t compromised, I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you’ve got the рубль.
  
  That may be the case, but what immediate danger does that pose to me? I'd be more worried about armed gangs in my neighborhood than spooks in Washington, because the former would likely pose a more immediate threat to my life than the latter.
  
  The spooks in Washington will soon be controlling the armed gangs in your neighborhood. Only those gangs will have an American flag on their sleeve.
  I have a feeling that line between the former and the later will blur much faster than you think.
  
  They're already here. They're called the police, and they'll generally leave you alone unless you're committing crimes. They also aren't known for chopping people up with machetes.
  
  Oh, to be so naïve. Enjoy the safety my friend.
  
  Thanks, I will. 🙏🏻
  
  How does it affect you? If a neighbour who doesn't like you can just call the police, tell them you're in a gang, and get you deported without due process that will absolutely affect you.
  PS the world is in this state because of unempathetic people like you.
- So your position is russia raises no threat to America. I'll write that one down.
  
  No, that is not what he said at all.
  
  Tell me how lions in Africa are a threat to Americans
  
  Oh, fuck off.
  
  What. Logic escapes you all the sudden?
  
  I wouldn't say none whatsoever, but comparatively little. They're already engaged in a fairly high stakes military operation costing them massive amounts of resources and manpower every year and constantly teetering on the edge of triggering a NATO involvement. Yeah they have nukes, but if they really wanted an all-out war, don't you think they would have dropped one already?
  I'd say chances are very low. First of all, the US likely has a capable early warning system and the ability to intercept a nuclear warhead in-flight, and second, the potential retaliation would likely be horrifying and not worth the risk. Worrying about armed criminal gang members who are already in the country seems to be a lot more sensible to me because they pose a more immediate threat.
  
  I firmly believe, and the evidence supports, Russia has deployed a widespread disinformation campaign against America and has infiltrated the highest levels of government.
  
  Do you have any evidence for that belief?
  
  Before we do all that you tell me what sources you will accept.
  
  Hard evidence, preferably. I'm not interested in hearsay or conspiracy theories. There's enough of that out there already.
  
  So, it's about time you read it then.
  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html
  
  throwback!
  
  Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities. (p. 181)
  Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. (p. 214)
  This is literally the definition of "inconclusive evidence".
  
  Were these my claims?
  I firmly believe, and the evidence supports, Russia has deployed a widespread disinformation campaign against America and has infiltrated the highest levels of government.
  I mean. Yeah. They were.
  
  Not coordinated doesn't mean Russians didn't influence, which is the topic discussed...
  
  I still don’t see how that makes them more dangerous to Americans than violent foreign gangs. MS-13 are known to chop people up with machetes, the US government generally is not, no matter who’s president. Sure, they certainly have the means to be a massive pain in the butt, but unless you’re convicted first degree murder or threaten the police with a deadly weapon, they’ll generally leave you alive and with all your limbs intact.

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