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Judge in Abrego Garcia case says there’s no evidence Trump administration is following her orders | CNN Politics

www.cnn.com Judge in Abrego Garcia case says there’s no evidence Trump administration is following her orders | CNN Politics

The federal judge overseeing the case of a man mistakenly deported to El Salvador said she would allow for expedited fact-finding to help her figure out whether the Trump administration is complying with her order that it “facilitate” his return from one of the country’s notorious mega-prisons.

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This is precisely what contempt is for.
- That’s what the article states. She’s mandating two weeks of intense discovery, which will lead to contempt of court if they cannot prove they have done everything in their power to return him.
  
  Lot of shit gon happen in a fortnight.
  
  Honest question: if the administration's defense is shrugging because he's in another country, doesn't the judge have an easy layup to shut down CECOT deportations?
  They can't have it both ways, either follow due process or keep your slave detention camps domestic. It's not interfering in foreign policy to point out they need to choose.
- How can they be found in contempt when they were never out of contempt.
  They don't care what judges say. The judges are just NOW finding that out?
  
  In the legal system, far more things get reversed due to procedural issues than on merit. Generally, this is a good thing. A judge should not be able to hand out punishment on a whim.
  As with most protections, fascists destroy the ones that limit them and cling to those that benefit them.

This whole case has collapsed into a handful of choices:
Judge doesn't declare the Trump admin in Contempt of Court (i.e. does nothing). This sets precedent that Trump's administration enjoys full immunity from the judiciary, officially turning the US into a dictatorship. This is what has been happening for weeks and remains by far the most likely scenario.
Judge declares Trump in Contempt of Court, but is unable to enforce it. This is equivalent to scenario 1.
Judge declares the Trump admin in Contempt of Court and deputizes state police to enforce the ruling and arrest, if not Trump, at least some officials. This would be legal and remains the only constitutional solution, but would almost certainly trigger an armed response from the regime. Democracy doesn't go down without a fight, but the end result is uncertain.
Pro-democracy factions use illegal/violent means to force Trump to comply (military coup, sudden Luigi's Mansion remake, etc.). However it would seem that the masks fell off and despite decades of propaganda to the contrary, literally not a single living American is willing to put their life on the line to protect Democracy.
- 1a. Judge goes on a Holiday in Cambodia, so to speak, and is replaced. See option 1.
  
  Well now I've gotta listen to some Dead Kennedys so thanks
- The administration will just apply for an appeal to the decision - 6 months - then if it is approved it goes to a one man Supreme Court ruling (18 months), then they appeal again (12 months) and it goes to the full bench (24 months) who will declare its now outside the scope of action.
- Admin complies
  Abrego suddenly ends up dead during that time. Essentially means admin would be complying.
  
  There's a serious chance they'll have the guy killed to get the judge off their back without having to be seen backing down, and to show judges what happens when they try to challenge the regime on a deportation case.
  
  We have to send monitors to that prison immediately until he’s safely back home
- Because they made the poor and uneducated afraid. That's why all the guns. Fear of that which they do not understand. They were fed endless propaganda about how Trump cares for the working class. Republican Corporate media let them keep their guns as long as they had an enemy to point them at that wasn't them. Keep them scared and afraid of their allies, their fellow working class.
- Dude's dead and has been

No kidding your honor. The question is what exactly are you or any other judge going to do about it?
I don't mean that in a Trump is right kind of way. I mean it in a this is something the judiciary needs to be seriously looking into sooner rather than later.

They obviously aren't, and have defied every court at every turn when presented with lawful orders in this matter.

Not only is there no evidence they're following her order, there is proactive evidence of them defying her order.

I’ve got an idea! Let’s sit around jerking each other off for two weeks while we build a case that Trump will just ignore anyways! Who’s with me (besides the Court)???

This guy’s already dead.

This is when the judge issues an arrest warrant for Trump/Elon and then deputizes everyone who is willing to try to take him in.
Then they is arrested and we start adding years to their prison sentences for every obstruction.
- Criminal contempt can be pardoned by the president.
  Civil contempt cannot.
  Charge them each a million dollars a day.
  
  Try $1B/day. A million to Trump is like an ok steak dinner, while to Musk, it’s like the dollar menu.
  
  There isn't going to be a legal way to hold them accountable.
  
  Charge them the operating budget of ICE per day, plus 10%. None of those jackbooted thugs should get paid until each person is returned to the US.
- Unfortunately the only way to arrest a president is the impeachment process. Which wont happen with a republican super majority. Unless you can get Republicans to grow a spine there is no other legal process to hold the President accountable.
  However I'm not sure about those employed by in his administration. But then again if he's willing to pardon Jan 6th rioters he will definitely pardon people in his administration...
  
  Actually the only way to arrest anyone is with physical restraints. Trump can blather all he wants once the cuffs are on, but hogtied is hogtied no matter how you slice him.
  
  Idk if those rules apply anymore.
  It doesn't seem like rules apply in this country anymore, and whoever wins the current war will decide what was legal retroactively.
  
  I mean I think at least in theory the court has the ability to use the US Marshalls to enforce a court order. And I also believe they can deputize others to enforce those orders instead in case the Marshalls end up answering to the DoJ instead of the judges.
  
  Sure. But the same is NOT true for everyone below the president. More people might push back on Trump's illegal orders if they know there's actual consequences for it.
  The first part is still right. In a sane world, this is where the court starts to enforce that it is a co equal branch, per the constitution.
  But we left the sane world a decade ago so... who knows.

Court: issues order
Trump Admin: flat out says they will not follow the orders
Court: I don't think the admin is following my orders.

Contempt of court when?
- Doesn't matter, they'll ignore that too.
  
  They need to have the bailiff already standing behind the regime lawyers right when it's declared.

No shit?

Give them two weeks to do something. We'll see, then what if they don't provide? Another 2 weeks? They will just say he is dead or died in transit and it's out of their hands. Then what happens? Let me guess.
Fucking nothing.

OK, now what?

Trump is a criminal, no one should be surprised that he is ignoring the rule of law.

The Orange Turd is a criminal. I would expect nothing less from him.

Wake up. Your courts haven't been able to help you long before the cheeto was in power and was flaunting his many felonies. The courts literally gave him unlimited power already. There have been zero repercussions for him his entire life while you all cheered him on and brought him to power not once but twice.
- all
- In 2022 there were 161.42 million eligible voters in the US (latest number I could find)
  Trump got 77,284,118 votes
  There is 340.1 million people in the US.
  I'd say that far from all.
  But otherwise yeah I already know the Supreme Court pretty much gave him unlimited power.
  
  Yes all. No one stood up or this guy would not be in office. Like you said above only 77,000,000 voted for him. And the other 263 million allowed those few fascist lovers even have a say.
  He was honest and open (oddly enough) about his plans for dictatorship years in advance. Your complete society allowed this to happen. No one could have stopped it but the citizens of your country. No one can still stop it but you. Yet in years of knowing no one has organized any resistance at all. Again allowing it to happen.
  He put his Nazi goons in your capitol buildings and still no one did anything. He stacked your top court with fellow fascists. He was convicted of dozens of crimes. He's flaunted the law his entire life. He's been a grifter and a cheat his entire life but you all have him one of the most popular tv shows of its time and thus a very loud voice within your celebrity culture that dominates your news cycles. You propped up his celebrity status and cheered him on for being a dickhead to people. You've watched him openly destroy his own businesses and bank accounts on whims multiple times yet remain extremely wealthy. No one did anything the entire time. You continue to put celebrities on pedestals and declare them higher than the rest of society because they're famous and rich and gwne they do things that affect or harm others they are allowed to walk free because they're famous. But you made them that way, only you can stop it.
  Yes I blame American society as a whole, and that includes you, for encouraging and allowing this to happen from the very beginning.

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