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Omega @discuss.online

5d ago

I'm sure the answer is 1453.... I think.

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It is yet to fall
For as long as it lives in our hearts, the Empire shall never die
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  Apt.
- It doesn't live in very many people's hearts. How many dozen are required to qualify?
  
  There are literally dozens of us!!

476 is the main one for the Western empire, but 1453 is the fall of the Eastern empire. The other dates here each have a smidgen of validity depending on accepting that some political entity that considered itself a Roman empire or the heir of empire fell somehow that year.
So all of the above.
- Correct.
  And the EU is the current incarnation of the (Western) Roman Empire ✝️
  I believe there will similarly be a second Eastern Roman Empire incorporating Constantinopel, from Fez to Lahore. ☪️
  The glory of Rome shall never fade. 🇦🇱
  Yes, I played a lot of Age of Empires as a kid, why do you ask?
  
  Correct me if I'm wrong but the EU does not consider themselves as a Roman successor state.

None of the above.
Rome fell the moment the Gracchi brothers were killed because the super rich decided that protecting the status quo was more important than actually doing their job.
JUSTICE FOR THE GRACCHI BROTHERS.
- Well... I'm not convinced the Gracchi actually made things better
  
  SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THE CHANTS FOR JUSTICE
  
  I love ACOUP, but the piece is way too soft on the traditional nobility and far too cynical about the Gracchi.

Ten.
It only fell physically. It lives on in our hearts and minds, tho. 😌
- And in the vaults of the Catholic church.

284 AD
DIOCLETIAN YOU ILLEGITIMATE TYRANT
- Deep cut.

476 looks most realistic. But I'm not a historian.
- 27 BC - Auguus became emperor, the end of the republic
  395 AD - Division of the Roman empire into a Western and an Eastern half
  476 AD - German king Odoaker dethroned West Roman emperor Romulus Augustulus
  1204 - Crusaders conquer Constantinople
  1453 - the Ottomans conquered Constantinople, the end of theEast Roman empire
  1806 - Emperor Franz II denounced the end of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation
  1917 - The end of the Russian empire (3rd Rome)
  
  Thanks. They missed 1922 - dissolution of the Ottoman empire.
  The Ottomans claimed to be a continuation of the Roman empire and even adopted the Star and Crescent from Constantinople. ☪️
  Turkey even kept the name Constantinople until 1930.

Make this an essay or short-answer question, and it's a good one.

We're in The Black Iron Prison man.

The empire, that filth that replaced the republic, started 27BCE = AVC 727.
\ Then how that pseudo-Roman = dictatorial crap fell would be either 476 CE = 1229 AVC or 1453 CE = AVC 2206 depending on which side you focus on.
- I would argue that the Empire as an imperialist hegemon started with their conquests that formed a hegemony, which I'd place around 340 BCE. The Principate replaced the Republic in 27 BCE with the ascension of Octavian, later to he replaced by the Dominate in 284 BCE with the ascension of Diocletian(though that distinction is disputed), together forming the Empire as a system dominated by the reigns of Emperors, ended as you describe by the deposition of Romulus Augustus in 476 CE and the conquest of Constantinople in 1453 CE.
  
  External policy-wise I agree with you. I was focusing mostly on the internal power structure.

The Empire never ended.
- The pope still holds the tilte "pontifex maximus", which dates back to the Roman kingdom, so one might argue the Roman kingdom never ended.

3 maybe?

I guess number 11? That would be the answer that pleases everyone. Or 12

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