Full Circle

/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
- Specifically the second one.
  immigrate from Europe
  emigrate to Europe
  
  Depends on your viewpoint.
  Emigrate from Europe and immigrate to Europe is also a valid way to look at it.
  
  According to Etymonline,
  Immigrate = in- "into, in, on, upon" from PIE root *en + migrare "to move" from PIE root *mei
  Emigrate = assimilated form of ex- "out" from PIE root *eghs + migrare "to move" from PIE root *mei
  So I guess to correct usage would be:
  Immigrating to Europe/US
  Emigrating from US/Europe
- i think you use "emigrating" when leaving their homes behind, but here it is part of the joke that they no longer see the US as their home. instead, they're seeing europe/whatever other country as their new "home", so they're immigrating.
  
  Do you imagine some kind of deeper meaning wrapped in a joke in it?
  The more likely explanation is that plenty Americans have poor literacy.
  Even plenty of 'their' 'there' mistakes. Elemental English.
- Just my two cents, not having a go at you:
  This is why I'm a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.
  Stupid english with its stupid verbs.
  We've got "to" and "from" why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.
  Sure, you could argue that you can just say "they are emigrating" to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let's be honest, not providing any other context it's practically unheard of. You'll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you're being very abstract. Even then, you couls say "the migrants were immigrating" to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?
  I'm glad few people "properly" use "emigrate" these days. Let's kill it, it's redundant!
  I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I'm not gonna look it up since I don't want to use it anyway haha
  
  I, personally, like a language being rich. Nothing wrong with not knowing all the ins and outs, but calling for simplification on what is already an very simple language is odd.
  
  How about just 'migrate' and 'migrating'?
  
  I think there's a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.
  'Coming' and 'going' do the same shift. "I'm coming to Europe; they're coming from Europe," feels just a bit stilted to me, though that's subjective I suppose.
  If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about 'migrate'.
  And scrap 'coming' and 'going' for 'moving'.
- But only in the first sentence

- Because when you're the one who "came up" with it, it's usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.
  
  Ooooh sorry weathering revolutions isn’t part of our Fascism ‘25 package - that was extra :-/
  Would you be interested in our selection of neck guards?
- I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it's like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.
  
  I blame greed. It doesn't matter where it came from. It's some bullshit.
  
  Always a safe bet to blame the fr*nch
- what ever happened to respecting your fellow humans and treating them as people?

The fascism was within you the whole time.
- The fascism was the ~~friends~~ enemies we made along the way.
  
  The fascism was the friends we massacred along the way.
- Like the force and the dark side and shit?
- i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it's a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever
  edit: oh yeah, what does that have to do with your comment? well, the christians are going to heaven alright, if you can interpret the american technocracy (or even mars) as "heaven" (by any stretch of the word)
  explanation: the christian idea of "heaven" is heavily based on platon's "ideas", which are described as "heavenly objects" (a.k.a abstractions), and platon called the collection of all ideas the "inter-net" for some reason, and modern IT is heavily modeled after it, with a purely abstract world ruling the world, more or less. there's lots of articles how some technological platforms (such as meta, google) shaping what news we get and what we believe/think. thus it is a "techno-cracy".

Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
- The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that's a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk's overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
  
  Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
  
  that's actually a bit reassuring to know
- They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
  
  Like plenty countries, but it only becomes a problem when it's also against whites.
  
  True. Australia and New Zealand are our last hope
  
  Saying that could be seen as extremely racist of you.
- As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists' country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
- As someone who lives in Japan, I've got some bad news for you...
  The good news is that it's mostly just the olds. The bad news is that it isn't exclusively just the older generations.
- Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
  https://youtu.be/BR7B0Pjh3lE
  
  Starting? Japan has a long, proud history of xenophobia.
- still, EU countries have far superior electoral systems than the US to help mitigate the rise and influence of Fascism.
  
  They even have multiple parties and an Overton window wider than only right to extreme-right!
  
  yeah we have this thing called democracy it's pretty cool
  
  That is if the other parties aren't largely complicit. Looking at you Germany, Denmark, France, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Hungary...
- Japan has its own fascists.
- yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living...
  
  ok then move to mars, final offer
- Embrace pedophilia 😵
  
  What a disgusting thing to say. Also, a little racist.

Your family brought the curse with them
- Now we know who to blame for all this shit.
- wait isn't there some christian story about exactly that ... 🤔 something about some curse that is inherited and bans the people from living a good life or sth, i can't remember. maybe that good life was symbolized as a garden, but i could be wrong

Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.
Not the Drumpf family, tho. Those can stay there instead of returning to their roots in Germany. The last thing we want is a "Make Germany Great Again" movement - they're already great right now, no need to fix what's not broken, thank you.
- I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU
- How are they great?
  Their economy is going to shit, they have a massive right-wing party, are complete warmongers and supporters of genocide.

Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier..
- Tell me more about Uruguay. What's irs like over there, standard of living etc.
  
  A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there's an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
  As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
  It's got a 3 branch government similar to America
  Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
  Guess it's time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
  
  Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I've considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
- Only issue is crime has gotten worse there over the years
  
  Immigration has increased too as well

Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
- I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It's only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).
  The waves of Italian immigrants weren't fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won't experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we'll see to Italy will be coming from an American wealthy middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.
  Italy is going to be more like Florida in the 1990s than New Jersey in the 1920s.
- What would be the alternative? Socialism and thus the standstill of further development? It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism. But above all taxes! So on the rich. Democracies would have to be able to protect their own form of government... but they didn't think about it when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So that our democracies are attacked from within. Above all, America needed to regulate tech companies more. Tax havens should be prevented, etc. Capitalism itself promotes further development. It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically have power.
  
  Why would socialist halt development?

Welcome to the fuck america club
Leave your guns at the door

good ass meme

Full circle indeed.
If shit hits the fan, company of heroes 4 will finally have something new instead of another WW2 thingy

I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.

- Huh? The rich people are creating the discomfort? The meek definitely aren't inheriting the world?
  
  No the uber rich creat discomfort, the rich would instead move than rectify it with their weight.
  It's why theyre able to run, and the meek must inherit their suffering. Too afraid to live and face the adversity.
  The meek have no choice but to inherit the pain you abandoned and rise. Why do you think europe is capable of being ran to? The people stayed and worked it.
  Only the rich think you can run from tyranny, and only the meek know what it means to submit without wanting. Bloodshed will be regardless, but good men fear to lose their right and bad men hope to gain righteousness.
  Do something more than coward is my mentality.
  Lazy men want comfort in homes of others, honorable folk build their structure and stability.

Be a Patriot: Fleeing America before you are threatened feels a lot like obeying in advance By George Packer for The Atlantic
- "The belief that America stands for an idea beyond blood and soil makes its identity fragile, because an idea lives in people’s minds, where it is subject to lies, hatred, ignorance, despair, even extinction. But for this very reason, as long as enough Americans continue to believe in the idea with enough conviction to stick it out here and fight, the country that you and I once lived in will still exist for the generation after us."
  The belief that a country should exist purely for nostalgic purposes is the kind of bullshit that got us here in the first place. Countries started existing so that a monach could control resources and worker productivity. Now they are used as a default identity for people to try and connect on some level. If you don't treat the identity as fragile, sure it can never 'die', but it can't improve or change either.
- My family moved from the US to Australia during the end of his first term. We had considered it for a couple years prior but we had hope Trumpism would die by the end of his first term. Then Covid hit. Then the American right made political statements out of medical concerns like vaccines and masks. At that point, we had enough. I’m immunocompromised, and she was a non-citizen permanent resident. Neither of us felt safe in my home country anymore so we stated the immigration process for me for my wife’s country, Australia.
  As we wrapped up our life in Colorado, when we saw 74 million people vote to re-elect the traitor in Nov 2020, we knew we had made the right call to leave. A few months later he attempted to overthrow the government and install himself as unelected dictator. Our house sold a few weeks later and we left the US 2 months after that.
  The rule of law is dead in the US now, and I couldn’t be happier with our decision to leave. Just yesterday I read an article about ICE arresting and deporting a green card holding Australian upon his return from a funeral in Aus. That could have been my wife. Fuck that.
  Best decision ever.
  
  Same. I bought my ticket the day after the second election. If you’re in Melbourne let’s have a Freedom Beer
  
  I want to leave to ensure the safety of those closest to me.
  But I also want to stay and fight like hell.
  Unfortunately, even if the immediate fascism were beaten back, I have very little faith in anything but capitochristofascism's resolve to continue to be absolutely shitty, and general American ignoarrogance to reign supreme, for the rest of my life.
- roko's basilisk or sth
- Agreed. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, cowards.

The type of people who think like this, believe wholeheartedly that everything that doesn't conform to their mindset is fascism/Nazism/[insert -ism you don't like here]
You might not like it, but that's how it is
Thinking like this will make you find fascism wherever you go. You'll find it in Gaza, in Iran , Japan, Greenland. You will find it in your parents , your neighbor, your kids, street signs, China, in Bernie Sanders office, chatting with Obama, having dinner with Kamala, in opera, with monks, inside the ISS, even fucking Antarctica.
Make yourself a favor and maybe think for a while before leaving your country to poison others:
"if everywhere I go smells like fascism, is it them? Or maybe, just maybe, is it me"?
Do it before you see a mirror and find fascism in there too
Edit: if downvotes were actual votes, you guys might have won the election lmao 🤣
- Has a cult of personality ✅
  Purging dissenters ✅
  Giving positions to loyalists ✅
  Demonizing minorities ✅
  An attempted coup ✅
  Consolidating and exercising central executive power ✅
  Attacking the media ✅
  Creating his own media apparatus ✅
  Isolating the country from the rest of the world ✅
  Sending citizens to foreign prisons ✅
  Theres a whole novel on the wall and you're not reading it.
  
  Yeah I wasn't talking about the Soviet union
- Fascism is relatively simple to identify. When the leader of your country begins calling dissidents enemies of the state, saying journalists should experience violence, ignoring checks and balances, establishing prison camps…
- Okay fascist.
- Should be easy enough to identify https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/25/how-to-spot-a-fascist-the-umberto-eco-way
- Let me guess - you think Elon was saying 'from my heart to yours', right?
- speak for yourself boss. that's simply not true.
- I caught myself writing a long response to this, but I got something that I belive will be better: Ok, USAmerican.
- I agree that the left is just putting labels on everything but why are you against them emigrating? Are you actually afraid of people who will leave instead of sinking together?