Should we boycott games with loot boxes?

Already do.

You should not put your time or money into anything doing something that you don't like in the marketplace, because that's the only way it changes.
- This is a very smart and thoughtful perspective. One should consider their time and money as valuable, and not put it in games they disagree with. Do you have any good alternatives to recommend for the most popular Valve FPSs?
  
  You might not like my answer, but I haven't really played new FPS games in years, because basically none of them are doing what I want. I'm well served in basically every other genre right now, but these things are cyclical. We're just getting through the era of indie FPS games inspired by Doom/Quake and other more maze-like shooters, and we may soon be entering the era where FPS games are inspired by my favorites. My multiplayer these days is usually fighting games, and the only ones that will give you trouble on Linux are Dragon Ball FighterZ and the upcoming 2XKO, both due to anti cheat.
  As an aside, I'll also say that where you put your time shouldn't matter, if the product is free, for instance, but it does matter in online video games. Your presence in matchmaking is adding value for someone else who might spend money in the game, so you'd still be helping the causes of CS2 and TF2 just by playing on the official servers. For TF2, I think the code just went open source and there's a revitalization project to bring it back to what it was like at launch? If so, that might be pre-loot-box, and playing that version of the game would help send the message you want to send. The same might apply to old versions of Counter-Strike.
  
  I haven't been into FPS for several years, but if I was going to play anything current, I'd give The Forever Winter a look. It's still being worked on, but the early access gameplay is really cool looking, and it's bringing a lot of ideas to the table creatively.
  
  I like a FPS but I have the most fun with the PVE sub genre of FPS. Left 4 Dead 2 and Deep Rock Galactic being my two favorites. Playing against other humans can be annoying if the skill balance isn’t right and if they’re cheating then it makes it no fun, imo.

Many of us have been doing this from the beginning, but it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how gacha games work.
Most people do not pump loads of money into these. Many don’t pay anything at all. But those people are not the target audience. These companies are going after the whales. Basically gambling addicts who will destroy their entire lives to pump everything they have into it.
Which is exactly why these games either need to be illegal, or the law needs to put caps on how much individuals are permitted to spend on these.
- Don't get me started on magic the gathering
  
  Ohhhhhhhhhh boy

Just play "Team Fortress 2 Classic" or "Open Fortress" both are really cool community projects without crates, or any micro transactions as far as I know.
- Those projects look great! I will have to check both those out. My problem with a lot of community FPS games is that the community is just too small to play regularly (like Xonotic, for instance).
  
  Yea, thats where you'll find some issues sadly. I'm not a regular but I manage to find one or two servers with a decent player count most of the time.

Don't pre-order and don't buy games that have loot boxes or other in-app purchases.

I've bought singleplayer games with loot boxes and no anticheat and just used cheat engine to get the ingame currency for them. I think I'm doing my part.
- WTF there are singleplayer games with lootboxes?!?!?
  
  Some assassin's creeds.
  
  Borderlands, iirc
- The Gatcha system is why I never finished Xenoblade Chronicles 2. The first game was phenomenal… But the second game required a gatcha system to unlock new party members. There were even quests that were locked behind certain ultra-rare party members. It’s an entirely single player game.
- You're not though, you are still buying those games. Go the extra mile and pirate them if you really feel the need to play games containing loot box mechanics while trying to "stick it to them"
  
  empress is dead

I've been boycotting them for years yet we all can see how that turned out
- Yeah the problem with boycotts and "vote with your wallet" is that one whale can offset the boycott of thousands of low-spending players 😐

Imo, yes.

I already do, but I'm also not as avid a gamer as I once was. Every FPS became borderline unplayable when loot crates became a thing. Call me old fashioned, but I liked when games had the same weapons for everyone, and there weren't random cards or whatever that made people's guns more powerful / reload /shoot faster, etc. It really brings an imbalance to the game, and enables these stupid gambling sites. The companies making the games are making money hand over fist, so they aren't going to stop any time soon barring regulation, and looking at this administration, good fucking luck with that. Boycott away.

Already boycott lootboxes and gacha games.
Sell me the game and give free updates or fuck off. I'm done paying you to be your beta tester.

Are boycotts really the best solution to stop this epidemic in gaming?
Consumer boycotts very very rarely work. I've never heard of a single successful video game boycott.
How can we best prevent these gambling grey markets and the gaming to gambling addiction pipeline?
Lobby for appropriate legislation with your government representatives. We could have legislation that forces companies to transparently show the chance of specific rewards, and even show the money you have to spend on average to get XY specific item. (I think there is already a law like this in the works in the EU?)
One of the major psychological tricks gambling games (including lootbox and gacha) employ is to obscure the true costs behind premium currencies. Once they are forced to remove this, and you are shown that yes, guaranteed acquisition of a single Genshin character will cost you ~300 USD, it might make you do a double-take before you pull out your bank card. (There are many more psychological dark patterns these developers employ, so it wouldn't be a single miracle solution, unless of course legislation altogether bans random chance rewards buyable with cash.)

If you are not their target audience then you can‘t really boycott them in the first place. And in my opinion there is no harm in playing a game with loot boxes when you don‘t buy them. They aren’t really getting anything out of non-spenders. That’s not how their servers keep running. And most f2p games that I encounter nowadays do season passes without the random factor anyway, so I feel the loot box discussion is becoming a little outdated for the main stream. Thank goodness.
I‘ve also noticed multiple times that this community has a gripe with multiplayer games for some reason. It‘s better to take anything from online strangers with a grain of salt.

It is important to question what you think a boycott will do.
Do you think you are going to make a giant movement that changes the world? If so... you should stop eating those lead paint chips. Consumers, historically, will only engage in a boycott if there are alternatives. Shop at Walmart instead of Target. VERY short term you might get someone to boycott Amazon for a few days but... just check "leftist" forums like resetera for everyone immediately losing their shit over how a few older activision games they will never play are on sale.
Video games, contrary to what people will say, don't really have alternatives. We'll joke that The Last Descendent was "waifu frame" but the people who love Warframe very much have reasons for not wanting to play TLD and vice versa. Let alone games like Call of Duty where there really is nothing close to an alternative.
So "boycott to fix the world" (and I am gonna expand on what THAT would be shortly...) ain't a thing.
So... now it is up to why? Personally, I "boycott" Ubisoft and have for the better part of a decade at this point. I think the last game I bought "from them" was GR Breakpoint and I got that years after the game was basically dead and on a hefty discount (see: lack of alternatives). I am under no illusion that my wallet is going to lead to yves et al leaving their own company out of shame for their role in enabling a culture of sexual harassment (and allegedly more). But I do know that I feel a lot better when I look at myself in the mirror and most games I am interested in DO have alternatives.
So do you think you are going to change the world? Cue Nelson Muntz. Do you just not want to contribute to the culture of loot boxes personally? Go for it. And it doesn't matter what people on not-reddit tell you.
As for what you think will happen: I think we can all agree that Nintendo upping the... Err, let me rephrase that. I think we can all agree that any company other than Nintendo upping the base price of a game to 80 USD (pre-tariffs...) is REALLY bad for the industry. But... inflation IS a thing and while game sales have skyrocketed... game dev has too. Money has to come from somewhere. And RMTs (lootboxes, cosmetics, etc) and constant flows of DLC have actually been great for the industry. It, for two decades or so, stopped the endless "ramp up, ramp down" model where people would be hired to work on a game, fired when it went gold, and then hired again 6 months down the line if it got green lit for an expansion. Get rid of RMTs and we go back to that for all but the largest studios because you don't need artists when you are fixing a bug in Batman's cape and so forth.
So, personally? I buy and play games that I like. And a lot of that does have to do with the monetization model. Something like Warframe is RMT based and has some sketchy purchases but also is (mostly) playable as a free game and is built around "free" content. Whereas something like Genshin Impact is marketed as "you never have to spend a dime" but... yeah. So the games that "do it wrong"? I am... kind of already "boycotting" them because I am just not interested in them.
- Counterpoint - you can boycott whoever you want for as long as you want whether the world is getting saved or not. Try not to give a shit what other people are doing. You don't have to change the world. You just have to stick to your own principles. And if enough people do that, the world will change anyway. But all you can control is your own actions.
  I have a long list of boycotted companies that I have never gone back on. Started with Blackjack Pizza in college when they wouldn't refund a pizza that had oven cleaner all over the bottom of it. Facebook gone for 15 years now, and I go without the cool Quest VR stuff. Walmart kicked to the curb around the same time for their gross abuse of their employees. Amazon ditched 3 years ago, don't miss it. I'd love to have Starlink to put on a vehicle when I travel the country, but it'll be a cold day in hell before Muskrat gets a dollar out of me. Canceled all my Target shit (20 year card member) a couple months ago over their DEI bullshit and won't set foot in one again. I shop at Costco as a single adult. The list goes on.
  And while I wish other people would give these companies the finger so real change would happen, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that I am sticking by what I believe.

Maybe I'm just an old man now, but it's been years since I was interested in a game with lootboxes. I think the last one I played was Overwatch, back when it originally came out

Are boycotts really the best solution to stop this epidemic in gaming?
Yes, but not if you don't convince others to join you.
How can we best prevent these gambling grey markets and the gaming to gambling addiction pipeline?
Educate people on the dangers. Show them why it's gambling, because there's a lot of apologetics out there to trick people into thinking it's not. Point out the same slot-machine-tactics they use to get people hooked.
And then convince them to boycott. The CEOs that put this shit in games know how to read sales numbers, and if sales start dropping (or player counts), they'll soon figure out that it's because of their lootbox/gacha systems.
Lastly, give people alternatives. I usually point people to Deep Rock Galactic, but there may be others that are better suited to people's tastes. "Just leave" isn't really effective if they don't know where to go.
- Thank you for your thoughtful response. Deep Rock Galactic looks amazing!
  
  It's a blast! The devs listen to and are involved in the community, you can go back and play earlier season content at your discretion, and all the paid content is optional cosmetics that exist primarily as an additional revenue stream for the devs, so no pay to win or praying to RNGesus to get that one ultra rare drop everyone needs.

No, if anything, we need to boycott games with battle passes. I'm not a fan of lootboxes but I'd take them any day over a battle pass. Don't pressure me to play specific ways, don't exploit FOMO to try to get me to grind or spend money. I find that a LOT more predatory than lootboxes, at least in games where they're optional.
- Dont you also have to grind for lootboxes?
  
  Not in every game. Some games make it reasonably fair, such as Elder Scrolls Online which makes it possible to obtain the lootbox items in other ways.

While I agree with the spirit of moat answers, I don't think that the few of us boycotting such popular games will harm or affecg them at all. We are a very small minority.
However, I do think we can support a sustainable niche market of good and sensible games.
So I think a it's a better use of anyone's time to try and support good games than spend your energy on bad games.
- More important than who you choose not to give your money to is who you do choose to give it to.

I've never bought or played one & have no plans to.

One of the reasons why Valheim is one of my favorite games these days... You buy it and then you play it... No loot boxes, no in game shop, Doesn't force you to be online and a minimal amount of RNG at all... But the grind is real though...

Do what you think is right, but spend some time to consider whether you want to reward someone or some organization with your hard earned money if you consider what they are doing immoral or bad.

Do I have to start playing games with loot boxes before I can start boycotting them?
The only one I've ever played was overwatch, but overwatch 2 is garbage, so...
- Sad what happened to that game. OG Overwatch was freaking awesome, OW2 is complete garbage.
  
  Almost everything about OW1 is now back in OW2! 6v6 is back, loot boxes are back. You can even play the OW1 metas if you want, though they pretty much only show just how much better the game has gotten over the years.
  I've been playing OW1 since launch and have really liked OW2, my only complaint was that they were making playable heroes unlockable, but that was fixed a long time ago.

Are boycotts really the best solution to stop this epidemic in gaming? How can we best prevent these gambling grey markets and the gaming to gambling addiction pipeline?
No, boycotts do fucking nothing. The only thing that could make a difference is regulations to properly label these type of thing as gambling and even that is not very likely to succeed. They make a lot of money with gambling.
Should we boycott games with loot boxes?
Do if you want to do it.

Yes but loot boxes is gambling and is an addiction and gaming companies know this and exploit this.

Just don't play them. You're not going to convince millions of players that lootboxes = bad so they shouldn't play the games they love. But you can just play games from companies that respect their customers.

Video game boycotts are an absolute fucking joke. Especially if organized here. I mean what % of consumers are on Lemmy? Like 0.00000000000000001%? For fuck sake.
- Come on, it's gotta be at least 10^-7%.
  
  At most, yes. I just didn't wanna make 14 paragraphs of zeros lol.

Yes, have been from the start.
The only good lootbox game was Borderlands 2

No, we should see that they are made illegal.

~~Loot~~ Skinner box
And absolutely

I pretty much can't play anything any more because I refuse to play anything with loot boxes or timers or in-game currency.
There are very few games on Android you can just buy and play casually to relax for a few hours.
- Stardew Valley
  Balatro
  Slay The Spire
  Lichess
  
  Final fantasy tactics is decent on android too
- As for android games... If you like puzzles like sudoku, check out Simon Tatham's Puzzle collection. Simple ad-free online experience with a varied collection of puzzle games.

Yes.

If one wants to play F2P games I would like to recommend the no gatcha challenge. Meaning no gatcha or any in-game purchases. Rewards from forced tutorial pulls can often be sold / deleted or if the first pull isnt random then that doesnt count.
For battle pass games with only cosmetics I encourage to only use default skins, emotes, avatars, frames or etc. It probably annoys a lot of people to get owned by someone wearing "noob" skins.
If the games are still good / enjoyable after these restrictions then they just might be actually good f2p games.
- Do you have nay suggestions?
  
  Pretty much any game with gatcha like the Hoyoverse games. These often have some sort of endgame paywall but it could take hours to reach it. If the game is bad or simply unplayable without gatcha its a bad game. Free premium currency can often be used for non-rng non-gatcha stuff.
  Competitive games usually only have cosmetics so you can just use default skin, ignore battle pass and focus on getting good and having fun. Some people could even get salty for getting their ass handed to them by someome using default costume.

Yes

I've been boycotting CS2 (née CSGO) since November 2019 when they introduced Fortnite skins with annoying voices that you couldn't turn off or disable.
I don't think it has worked but I'm definitely never playing another Valve multiplayer game, they always turn out the same way.
- Played cs2 after not playing any counter strike for years. What an awful experience. I miss the days of finding a community server with people you get along with, or leaving a server you don't like. Matchmaking you can't leave, skins, loot boxes, has ruined online multiplayer for me, but it's not going anywhere, sadly.

If the loot boxes affect your ability to win, don't buy the game. If they are just cosmetic, meh.
But don't stop there. If it has day one DLC, don't touch it. If it has DLC to patch game functions that should be in the base game, don't touch it. If it has any kind of pay to win function, don't touch it. If it has a subscription, don't touch it. If it's a pre-order, don't touch it. If it's put out by a conglomerate publisher that eats real developers and shits out imitations of their IP, don't touch it.
And most of all, teach these things to gamer kids and their parents. Kids are ignorant of the effect their purchases, and parents don't have the time and energy to go learn for themselves. Spreading awareness helps everyone.

Realistically, you and the other dozen people here on Lemmy that see this aren't going to make a difference. Its too far gone. You are free to play or not play whatever you want, but it won't make any changes to how businesses in the gaming industry monetize their products.
It would be nice if businesses cared about their customers, but money talks way louder than feelings. And there are too many stupid people that will keep paying for Candy Crush MTX.
Personally, I am okay with RNG based rewards that cost real world money if the game is free to play, as long as it offers a way to get the RNG rewards by playing the game even if it is at a reduced rate. Even if it is Pay To Win, at least reviews will tell me going into it so I can decide for myself whether I am okay with potentially playing at a disadvantage or not. In some games that won't really matter to me, such as if I don't want to really engage with PvP, for example. But other games that are PvP focused, I probably won't play unless the rewards are cosmetic only. RNG based rewards that cost real world money in a game that costs money just to gain access to or play the game that are not entirely optional cosmetics are stupid IMO, and so I just don't buy or play those games. I almost never pay for RNG based rewards anyway, only doing it for games I really enjoy or if there is a collaboration event in the game with an IP I really enjoy, hopefully letting the IP holder know I want more of that IP.
It sucks, but a loss of only 50 or so players from here on Lemmy is nothing to game publishers that gain and lose thousands more players naturally and not because of monetization per week.

I'm still waiting for a reliable way to pirate games with micro transactions and lootboxes.
Like, I know Assassin's Creed Odyssey has daily quests and a rotating cash shop, and that must be talking to some sort of server that isn't guaranteed to be there. Surely there's a way to mock that server?

yes, if for no other reason than that they're tricking you into thinking they're more fun than they are. you can have more fun playing other games with actual mechanic designs

I don't play CounterStrike or Team Fortress 2 because I'm not a god damned masochist.
In the end, I'm technically already boycotting them.

I know that I'm one guy, and my purchasing decisions ain't gonna change nothin'. But I still try to vote with my wallet as much as I can in order to feel like I'm doing the right thing. I'm the guy old-fashioned enough to still only buy native Linux games because I don't like the idea of replacing official support with just hoping Proton happens to work, knowing full well that this replacement happened long ago and I am too late to turn back the clock. And I've got a whole list of publishers I will never buy from under any circumstances.
I will never ever ever spend money on gacha, because if I don't know what I'm buying then I'm not buying it. Even putting aside the ethical concerns, that's just a stupid purchase.
But I have a lot of nostalgia for TF2, and I don't know how to reconcile that. They kinda got away with sneaking in gacha before we realized how evil this is. I haven't touched the game in a long time anyway, but if the Heavy Update ever saw the light of day (it won't) or even if they just brought back rd_asteroid (even more not happening), I'd be very tempted and I dunno what I'd do.
There are two gacha games I still play, without spending any money on, while knowing what a hypocrite I am for playing them. Mahjong Soul and Riichi City. They're the two most populated Riichi Mahjong clients - it's either these or Tenhou, but Tenhou isn't in English, hasn't been updated in a long time, paywalls a number of features behind a subscription model, and is steadily losing players to its competitors. If a new client with an ethical business model took off I'd switch in heartbeat, but I can't imagine one would ever take off to a point where I could queue at any time of day and get high-ranking opponents at my level. So I'm kinda stuck with these.

Yes.

Definitely boycott paying real money for lootboxes or games with real money lootboxes.
If you're not paying, then it's just a factor to consider, the companies won't care about you much

Wasn't playing them in the first place. Also a Linux gamer, if you want a shooter. Isonzo. Easy Red 2 is alright too, not quite as polished as Isonzo but it does have vehicles in it and is more single player/coop focused than PvP.
Will me not buying lootbox microtransaction bullshit games make any difference to the industry? Almost certainly not. But it really doesn't matter much either. I can buy the few good games instead and just ignore what the rest of the industry is doing.

I think your voice could actually be better than your wallet on this.
For one, these games are free. So, are you harming the world by playing them and just not buying loot boxes? Minimally, at best. I also advise people enacting boycotts to represent vocal action around them. For instance, I called Target directly about my boycott when they ended DEI hiring.
You can also help lobby politicians to make clear how you feel on the issue. That can put a lot more panic on publishers. Politicians don’t have a strong reason to defend them - often it only gets ignored because they don’t think voters find it a significant issue. Even if you don’t get a federal ban, sometimes you can get state laws like limiting physical advertising; which can also sometimes spread to other states.
Basically, boycotting as a form of inaction, especially when it makes your days boring, isn’t necessarily an effective approach.

Just not buying something isn't a boycott. Don't buy bad games, and it's a good idea to include dark patterns in the criteria for what makes a game bad.

Yes. And you should boycott Steam because they practically invented gambling for underage. Watch the coffee-something video about it.
Now, 3,2,1 watch all the so-called gamers rip their shirt to defend this evil soulless capitalist business because "they offer a good service and care about gaming blablabla ubisoft bad blablabla".
- Fut existed for a couple years before TF2 added loot crates, which was 3 years before CS added them
  
  I dont know what Fut is and I don't really care. Steam is the most profitable business per employee in the US, they shouldn't get kids addicted to gambling is my point, nor should any other game.
- Do you prefer GoG?
  
  Yes.