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‘He’s alone’: Trump arraignment sees no family, no posse, no protests

www.msnbc.com ‘He’s alone’: Trump arraignment sees no family, no posse, no protests

"There’s no posse and there’s no retinue and there’s no family," says Chris Hayes on Trump's arraignment. "The guy is alone. He is solo rolling with the lawyers who hope his checks clear."

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At this point an indictment of Trump in the US has reached the same level as mass shootings and our dying planet. Which indictment, mass shooting or catastrophic environmental disaster are we talking about? I’m numb and have lost track amongst the desperate hopes for change.
- Exactly this. An arraignment of a former president has become a non-event. This is ideal for Trump, regardless of how MSNBC tries to spin it.
- This is definitely some of it. Although being in DC probably also helps to tone things down. DC is a pretty blue town outside of the federal buildings.
  
  I can picture a world where Trump’s fervent supporters would descend upon DC and cause at least a little turbulence.
- What i find interesting is that somehow in developing countries justice was slow but eventually it arrived. I can think of places like Peru with Fujimori. Presidents got away for a while but eventually their own justice systems made them pay. I would be surprised if somehow justice didn't prevail in this situation with Trump.
  
  Justice has to prevail on some level if the US has any hope of protecting its democracy. This was a direct attack on the most fundamental parts of the country.
- Having 3, possible 4 indictments, some of it very damning, I'm convinced shit will happen. IF nothing happens out of 3 (4*) indictments, then I'd lose pretty much all hope at that point. I am at a point now where I have no yet lost all hope.
  
  At this point I’ll take a slap on the wrist for Trump if he’s barred from running for Presidency. I just want all this to end and for the country to move on.
  
  I am at a point now where I have no yet lost all hope.
  I'll save you a seat down here at rock bottom.

Fucking traitor. Lock him the fuck up.
- It's never gonna happen. At most he'll become bogged down in lawsuits and charges till he dies. But there's no way they'll ever allow a u.s president to set foot in jail
  
  Hard disagree.
  This stupid cuck is going to jail 100% if he does not win the next presidential election. Our legal system can be pretty fucked up sometimes but it's not that fucked up, this guy literally tried to overthrow our democracy.
  
  I hope you're wrong personally
- Agreed the laptop should be plenty evidence how little they care
  And the leaked call where they just used Ukraine to get more support? Actually disgusting
  
  Lmao the sheer projection in bringing ukraine into this when Trump literally blackmailed them and broke the law to try to score political points. Straight up traitor
  
  Ok Boris.

I imagine one of the prosecutors touches Trump's forehead for a few seconds, then says: "It's afraid!"
- I would like to know more.
- Excellent reference!
  
  The only good bug is a dead bug
- They’d never get the Cheeto fingers off.

Most of the protesters aren't allowed near Washington DC government buildings due to their plea deals.
- Headline: "Trump rawdogs own arraignment!"
- Awesome
- I also read he said he’d get his supporters to boycott elections.
  
  One can only hope!

Oh no, the consequences of his own actions.
- Well, the GOP is the party of personal responsibility, right?

The fascists aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall so they're moving on. Completely expected and even if Trump gets the death penalty the threat is by no means gone. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself.
- Beard has a great quote from her book SPQR
  “If the assassination of Julius Caesar became a model for the effective removal of a tyrant, it was also a powerful reminder that getting rid of a tyrant did not necessarily dispose of tyranny.”
  
  An analogy I like: If you have a toxic, dangerous plant in your garden, like the Gympie Gympie maybe, do you remove it by snipping off the leaf bud at the very top, or do you pull it out roots and all?
- The fascists aren’t stupid.
  Citation needed
  
  Never assume the enemy is stupid. That's how you lose. If they were truly stupid they wouldn't have gotten this far and wouldn't even be a threat.
  
  There's a distinction to be made between the fascists—the people in power pushing fascism—and the people voting for it. The latter are ignorant and stupid. The former are wringing the country dry for money and power.
- This is a major problem with the right wing, there is no principles or loyalty or anything. It’s not the major problem, it’s just one.
  
  Additionally, a leader is just a tool used by a collective. The collective is in power, not the leader. Trump is no longer useful to them so he is being replaced, just like how a medieval king who fails to please his court of nobles is overthrown for a king that can.
  Whether you can overthrow a leader simply depends on if you're part of the collective they serve or not. The reason the general public can't get rid of corrupt politicians or near universally hated people like Bezos or Elon, is because the collective that appoints them is not the public, but much like the medieval king, they only have to answer to a small group of modern day nobles (AKA the corporations, investors, and ultra rich in general).
  It's the ruling class, not the individual ruler, that calls the shots. Always. Because a single person can never enforce their rule alone, it requires a group that collectively has sufficient power to enforce their collective rule.
- Absolutely. I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested hiring a hitman through crowdfunding to shoot Macron. I told him, Macron is just a symptom. This hydra has a bunch of other heads ready to sprout, you'll get life for nothing
  
  I'm reminded of the NoFX song "the man I killed"
- Unfortunately, he's still vastly in the lead for the gop nomination.

Sad that he can't Grab Them By The Posse!!!
/s
- Lol well done.
  I couldn't believe when that came out and had no effect. Like when George W would just misspeak or Clinton admitted smoking weed in college or whatever, it always seemed like there were huge political consequences.
  
  Remember Howard Dean lost the nomination because of the way he said "wooo"?
- So sad.
- Nice one
- Oh that facial expression is priceless!
  
  What facial expression?

He's still the frontrunner for the Republican nomination by a wide margin, there is no one who is showing like they will compete, even after this most recent indictment. Republicans will still rally behind him if he gets the nomination. Unless his trials are ahead of the election, which they likely aren't, nothing will change.
- He's a frontrunner from lack of options, not from appeal. Other potential candidates are too intimidated knowing that if they run against him, he will shower them with insults and innuendo daily and try to bully them into backing out.

Sad trombone lol

What checks? They think they're getting paid?
- He's raked in hundreds of millions in political donations since this started, they've been paid more than 40m so far
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-political-committee-has-spent-more-than-40-million-on-lawyers-fees-as-his-legal-peril-mounts
  
  And yet he still stiffed Rudy Giuliani.
  Giuliani should have seen it coming though, it’s like someone who marries a known cheater and is shocked they got cheated on.
  
  I didn't think I needed to state that that was a joke.

He's not alone. He still has millions of US voters on his side.
- keep donating to his reelection campaign. his lawyers appreciate it.

He has to be pissed that Jarvanka took the 3 billion and booked without kicking up to the head czar

You mean his pattern of betraying everyone somehow backfired?

Oh no! Anyway....

Bye fel-cheeto!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JuliusandEthelRosenberg
- What victims of a real witch hunt look like
  
  That wasn't a witch hunt, they were guilty.
  
  Not only were they guilty, their were probably others, but the FBI quit whole it was ahead....the opposite of a witch hunt.

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