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Canadians overwhelmingly oppose becoming 51st U.S. state: poll

toronto.citynews.ca

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Four in five Canadians strongly oppose the idea of joining their neighbours to the south, and a majority, 78 per cent, are concerned with the rhetoric Trump keeps pushing.
So 20% of Canadians are traitors and/or idiots. Probably the FUCK TRUDEAU flags and bumper stickers crowd who complain about their first amendment rights.
- There's a baseline 20-30% of all polls taken over the world that is made up of hateful nutjobs and conspiracy theorists
  There could be someone running for office who has figured out how to solve all the world's problems for free, and that 20-30% will vehemently oppose them.
  
  "Why should we solve the world's problems for free? The rest of the world should pay us!"
  
  I have long said that even in a Utopia you would have people unhappy about the way things were.
- On the positive side, I knew a Canadian couple where she was an evangelical Christian home-schooling their kids and he was a massive conspiracy theorist. They were both suspicious of vaccines and "mainstream medicine", and he strongly disbelieved in the moon landings. 15 years ago there was no way to persuade them out of any of this. But over time, with the rise of the far right, QAnon, the antivax movement and MAGA, both of them realized they want nothing to do with those people or their insanity. She correctly identified the church as a bad influence and left it, she stopped preaching at people, they sent their kids to regular schools, they all got their vaccines, and he abandoned his conspiracy theories and now accepts that he was an idiot about the moon landings and laughs at his former self. Now you can have a perfectly normal conversation with them. So it is possible to travel in the other direction.
  
  But the technology to fake it clearly could? Idiots...
  
  Yeah not only in the USA for sure.
  What irks me most is that it's often people who claim to be unpolitical. But they aren't really, they just don't bother to inform themselves and react on gut feelings instead. Those gut feelings can be dumb anger or dumb "Peace & Love", but if they lead to someone saying that "Putin does not seem like he wants to harm Europe" it doesn't really matter anymore, it's just dumb. What can you say to such people? "Inform yourself"?
- But what about the freedom to lose one's life savings to an insurance company?
- Yeah... These headlines are always so optimistic (probably because our media is owned by americans)
  "Overwhelming support for canada. Nothing to see here folks!"
  Uhhhh... 1/5 canadians are literal traitors to the nation. Stand on guard against these morons. Elbows up.
  
  Polls generally are complete garbage.
  If I become Supreme Leader of the US (it seems a lot more probable than it used to) I will make public polls illegal. If you want to poll people you need to do it in the privacy of your own home with the curtains drawn.
- It’s needs to be 100% of Canadians. Those who don’t oppose us becoming the U.S. aren’t Canadian, and can kindly GTFO of this amazing country.
- 78% is considered almost a statistical impossibility for these kinds of things. This is the polling equivalent of "every last person".
- I'm having a hard time finding the link to the poll itself...
  But I suspect that the poll had distinct categories for "strongly oppose" and "oppose".
  So either the article is lumping the two responses together (which would be shitty because they explicitly say "strongly") or it's likely that the number of Canadians who are open to it is <20.
  From previous polling I've seen, it was around 13% who were open to it. Not even saying they would, but merely open to the idea.
- I'm hoping that the 20% includes mostly people who are just opposed (but not strongly). Still idiots, but not likely traitors.
- 20% Russian bots/Elon bots

Can we stop posting this headline? Again and again and again?
It's not news.
If a sizable portion of the population did want to do something stupid, that'd be news.
This is... It's not even propaganda. It's just a waste of our limited time and emotional capacity for idiocy.
- It made me lol, and not in a good way: why would there even be a poll?
  
  Its noise. The media eats it up. Meanwhile the economy is tanking and government spending is worse than it is under most democratic presidents. It's the Trump administration flak shield. It was tested last administration and it works very well unfortunately. Kick up enough dust around the well and people will talk about how bad the dust is instead of the fact that somebody just drank the well dry.
- We should poll how many americans are willing for their state to be the 11th canadian province.

Americans also overwhelmingly oppose Canada becoming 51st state
- I for one support my state becoming part of Canada
- Hell, I wish my own state wasn't a US state.
  
  Which state is that?
- I miss boring liberal America where our absurd bullshit was just ours and not leaking out into the world.

Well No Shit. Why would anyone want to buy into the hot mess we've got going right now?

These articles and polls, framing trump's deranged russo-imposed plans as a legit proposal, do not help at all.
They just normalize this fucking insane shit
- Yeah, it's frustrating to see anyone even bother spending time on this nonsense. It does just normalize the absolute insanity of what is going on - it's more damaging to publish this poll than to ignore it altogether imo.
- Reporting on this just helps him.

No shit, no one wants this. Why would we??
- The guy down the street from me with a giant “Trump 2024” flag probably wants it. Fucking traitor.
  
  Sounds like a great target for egging. Bonus points for being topical.
- As a US-ian, I really wish you guys would keep reminding us that if you did join the US, you'd be a 51st state slightly larger and left of California.
  The GOP wants nothing to do with Canada. They cringe every time they think about ya'll voting in our elections.
- Fr - who, with the minimum amount of decency, would want to be part of this?

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