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Man the construction worker in me just sees a muscle shirt outline, a tin of chew, a key ring, set of steel toes and a daughter’s bracelet. But I guess any image can be intentionally made misleading eh?
You are describing the loop of plastic audio wire poking out of his shirt as a keyring there. You can look up higher res copies of this image. Duckduckgo had two different, higher-resolutiot copies right at the top of the page of this guy. It's supposed to be hard to spot them, otherwise they wouldn't exactly be doing a good job, yeah? Also, this picture specifically is being shown because the guy was confirmed to be an undercover cop. It was during the George Floyd protests.
If you zoom in (the potato quality image) there is absolutely the outline of a vest under the shirt. The printing on the back pocket is not round like a tin of chew. The rest I couldn’t say for sure, boots, bracelet, etc. but the vest and cuffs look dead on.
IMO that vest outline is the real giveaway. You can see where the velcro attaches.
I'd bet that if that guy lifted his pant cuffs you'd find an ankle holster too.
I have no real experience with this IRL (so probably means I'm in the target audience) but I understood the graphic to just be a starting point.
Couldn't it just be resolved with a simple follow-up conversation? e.g.
"Hey you're not a cop, are you?"
"No way man"
"Ok, lift up your shirt for a sec."
If he won't, he's probably wearing a vest and/or wire.
Or alternative scenario: "Hey you're welcome to join, but you gotta ditch the handcuffs."
"What, you mean this tin of sour candy?"
You must not have seen very many tins of chew or key rings during your time as a "construction worker" then. That's not even close. Me thinks you doth protest a bit too much. Your comment honestly reinforces this image even more.
If any actual patriots are reading this and see something like what's in this image at a protest, be very skeptical of that person. Protect yourself and don't let obvious agents tell you to brush it off as something else.
You're not wrong. Protestors can face retaliation which causes paranoia and is an obstacle in growing organizing efforts. There are some arguments in the comments about what the specific items are, but there are more explanations that fit their defenses. For example, it could really be a vest under the shirt, but maybe it's a disabled person's cooling vest and not a bulletproof vest. I urge yall to still be cautious of strangers, including waryness of people who look like they can be the correct demo for cops, without also running off people we don't really know anything about with our bad attitudes.
Hmmmm?
We still wear chains on jeans right?
Homie that's a vest. There's no shapeware for men that look like body armor.
Former LEO. That’s definitely a vest he’s wearing under his shirt, and those are definitely cuffs in his back pocket.
At my school, there was this guy in my general circle. Played in a punk band, different one than mine, hanging out at the same parties, didn't talk much, but easy to get along with. Also, looked like a punk and partied like a punk. Really good with his instrument, also did jazz on a high level.
Many years later, someone sent me a link from a left leaning forum: He was caught as a deep undercover cop. Apparently went to the police academy (~ 3 years in Germany) and got planted shortly after. He "lived" 100 km from his home with roommates who politically active, again in a punk band, participating in apparently as many political groups as he could schedule. Almost all of them were entirely legal, such as advocating for better welfare laws. He sat there, listened, didn't talk much. No contact to actual terrorist cells or anything like that. Minor vandalism and unregistered protests perhaps.
They only caught him after a few years when someone from our home town recognised him at a punk concert and called him by his real name in front of other people. He just walked away, and his fake personality disappeared immediately. From what I can find, doing low-profile police work ever since.
It's a bit concerning that they spy on entirely legal groups as well as groups who commit minor offences with such enormous resources. Must have cost like 100k per year; with deep analysis of his reports probably more. Just to get a list of people to "take care of" when we go full Trump here?
Anyway, my point: Surprising that the undercover cop in the picture makes so many mistakes. He was apparently spotless.
I read Undercover recently and it shows just how far they'll go to infiltrate those groups they deem a threat. Not the right wing groups who suggest that murdering MPs might be a good idea, obviously; just those marginally to the left of Goebbels.
Surprising that the undercover cop in the picture makes so many mistakes. He was apparently spotless.
There's big difference between undercover stings and a cop trying to blend into a public mass. The goals are entirely different.
Apparently went to the police academy (~ 3 years in Germany)
Germany. That's the difference.
Haha I am sleepy so I can’t look up the source right now: but American Intelligence has stated in the past they don’t like to infiltrate tight leftist groups because leftists usually will ask the Plant many questions. The Plant often has to read a lot to prepare so that they pass the sniff test. They’ve stated that they prefer to infiltrate any other groups (especially conservative groups) because they don’t have to read so much.
That’s an incredibly interesting story. Thanks for sharing.
He just walked away, and his fake personality disappeared immediately.
Punks got lucky. In Russia it would have ended differently.
This is the US. There are very little training requirements. The specific requirements are usually state based. Arkansas and Indiana have basically no training required. The average officer trains for 21 weeks.
Get into some of the smaller cities and they'll throw any rookie into plain clothes and call them undercover with very little undercover training.
This guy is likely more of an agitator than an investigator. He's equipped to be an enforcer, not to investigate.
One arrow missing, pointing to the partially covered Nazi tattoo.
Some of those that work forces
You mean on the right arm? That's the other big tell. They pick a colour of the day, then every cop wears something obvious (bandana, armband, tape on the pants, etc.) in that colour so that other cops can spot that and not shoot them.
I can't exactly make out the tattoo in the image, and I can't tell if your remark was tongue-in-cheek. Would you mind linking to a source for the tattoo that you are referring to?
I'm assuming. But if there in person, you should look at it
I feel like this isnt highlighting the two most obvious things I'd notice first. Undercover cops for some reason think the backwards cap is still cool and makes them blend in. And they always seem to pick the Yankees or Red Sox to blend in as well. So those would be my giveaways personally 🤷
"You can tell he isn't an undercover cop, nobody wears a Cleveland guardians hat as a disguise"
I'd say the pussy vest is the biggest give away.
Agent provacateur?
This infographic first turned up during the BLM protests, but one should generally be wary of undercover agents.
During Occupy, playing "Spot the Fed" was a great workout for skills I developed at DefCon. Literally every protest movement in this country is riddled with undercover agents, secret police informants, planted agitators, and spooks. Learning to ID them is a vital survival skill for activists.
Agent porkateur.
Agent provocateur, as in provoke.
Indeed.
Something my friend told me is that there are 3 easy tells of an undercover cop:
If someone matches all 3 descriptors, it is likely they're a cop
To be honest very few people know theory. Like, you can be anti-fascist but you don't need to have actually read Das Kapital or anything to be that.
I didn't even know what that person was talking about until you said that. Seems like a pretty elitist "tell." I don't really know any theory beyond that I don't like billionaires or fascists. I would hope we would be welcoming people like myself at protests instead of trying to call us out as undercover pigs.
Reminds me of the big fun fair last year. There have been some incidents in the last years where idiots (either islamic terrorists of white people with mental issues, your choice) have driven cars into groups of people, so there was a rather immense police presence on that fair. As they had promised on the radio they had both uniformed and civilian officers patrolling. I have no idea why they bother with civilian clothes, as the groups of non-uniformed policemen really stuck out like sore thumbs in the flow of happy, carelessly celebrating people. They could have worn helmets with flashing lights and not be any more noticable.
A clear sign are also people in red baseball hats licking the cop boots.
In the UK they like North Face coats a lot of the time. They don't really use plain clothes for protest as much anymore. A new strategy that is similar but annoying is the use of "auditors". One of the big ones became an informant so they all copied him in becoming unaware unofficial evidence gatherers, even though the whole concept of auditing is supposedly highlighting police corruption.
One of the big ones
A large cop?
they all copied him in becoming unaware unofficial evidence gatherers
They who?
Start handing out blue bracelets.
Or ask him into his face if his colleagues will beat him up, too, if he loses his bracelet.
At a protest many years ago in Germany, two undercover cops were beaten up pretty badly by other cops. They had a "safeword", but apparently the other cops were already in a frenzy and didn't stop.
A beating frenzy
Forces that regularly do plainclothes often have a "color of the day" for this reason.
There have been agitators pretending to be supporters of this anti fascist protests, Andy ngo being a well known trying to pretend as one of them
I don't even need to pay attention to their clothing. Pigs have a distinct smell and swagger to them that immediately gives them away.
They do walk a certain way
And if they're too far away to smell you can always pick one out by this handy comparison chart.
What is a 'thin blue line bracelet' and why does it give away an undercover cop?
Could also be used as an identifier for other officers in case they get into an altercation and need to signal “hey I’m on your side”.
I am not sure if they were being coy, but I saw another user say “color of the day” meaning that it might not just be blue, and that they could be cycling colors to obfuscate detection from protest groups on multi day protests.
It's white, see the left armband.
The thin blue line, is a buzzword for cop supporter
Google it for different varieties of bracelet.
This is the wiki on the thin blue line.
Thanks did not expect it to be such a loaded thing:
"The "thin blue line" symbol has been used by the "Blue Lives Matter" movement, which emerged in 2014 as a rebuttal to the Black Lives Matter movement, and gained traction following the high-profile homicides of NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in Brooklyn, New York.
The "thin blue line" has also been associated with white nationalists in the United States, particularly after the Unite the Right rally in 2017, who fly Thin Blue Line flags at their rallies."
Yikes
Diet Nazi imagery.
Generally these are the guys who are inciting violence and even starting it, they will throw bottles and encourage violence and then use the footage of their own cops as proof that the protesters are violent.
ban demonstrations, provide no evidence, commit act of violence towards unarmed protestors, cause concussions and stampedes, label them terrorists and talk about the tax money lost because there was damage to nearby buildings
Don't attack just point and oink.
The wrap around Oakleys have to be somewhere as well..
Sometimes they take them off and put them on the back of their backwards hat while undercover. What happened here is they were either stolen or fell off. But you can always pick out the facial indent and tan line if they're missing.
fun fact: you can tell how long someone has been a cop by the depth of the Oakley indent on their face.
I think that you're a cop.
Why is this such a banger?
I also think that you’re a cop.
Cuffs could be snus tho. If you only spot one of these, prob not a cop but if its multiple signs then its prob a cop
Those are just my altoids sours :(
Snu snu?
Yeah, maybe it wasn't handcuffs.
Tobacco/nicotine pouches.
When can rebel groups create an AI that analyzes behaviors to determine if someone is a cop or not? Governments use AI to analyze protesters by the way they walk, we should use AI against the oppressors.
Right now.
The hardest part is the dataset (aka labeled pictures of undercover cops). Give me some of those (A thousand? The more the better,) and I could train a small model for free, in a few days. Or a bigger more reliable one for a few bucks. I can explain specifics if you want.
AI is not some mystery box like Altman would lead you to believe, it’s hackable and totally usable by regular people.
we should use AI against the oppressors
I don't share your optimism re the alignment of AI.
The alignment of AI isn't the issue, there will be models that will serve any segment of any population.
The skepticism should be firmly placed where it belongs, the exploitative corporations that are creating crippled, hobbled, worthless models that are designed to sell products and make dim people feel good about themselves and to help highschool students write papers. Current consumer AI products are fun for about 4 hours until you get sick of being lied to or making pictures of "Lola Bunny but real".
We won't see an AI system that can reliably serve your actual needs for maybe decades. This is because they know (or thought) that people would buy anything with "AI" slapped on it and not have to actually create working systems that can do things like basic mathematics and contextual awareness.
Most likely people in china are going to be walking around with AI in their fucking sunglasses that will whisper in their ear whatever they want to know long before we get any cop-sniffers in the US.
Look at that crisp black NYX hat that's never been worn before.
Good advice in turkey too
LPT: use drop-shadow