2y ago

Almost broke 2.5 million daily total users on Lemmy in the last 24 hours.

Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

160 comments

You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there's utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they'll only use one.
- True. I've created at least 4, myself.
- But the bot + duplicate account numbers keep going up and I really like exponential growth
- People love vanity metrics, though.
  
  Look, I’ve quit Reddit because fuck spez, and now have confirmation bias that needs answering. Just…let me have this.
- True, I have 9 accounts so far between instances... I don't think I'll make anymore I'm quite comfortable now, but yeah, I inflated the stats. Sorry..
- I have manually counted 20 so far

Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.
- Yeah this is a good point.
  It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.
  
  I'm also a "tech savvy" and still trying to understand how all this works...
  
  I just started with mastodon. Lemmy I'm pretty understanding at but do you have any people/ hashtags you reccomend following on mastodon to not make the whole place feel so small and repetitive? I'm interested in pretty much anything.
- What's considered an "Active User"?
  
  A person who posted/commented in the last 30 days
  From the docs: "Lemmy also shows counts of active users for your site, and its communities. These are counted within the last day, week, month, and half year, and are cached on starting up lemmy, and every hour.
  An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included."
  https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
- some of us might be lurkers and are just here for reading
  
  Most users will lurkers.

Daily active users is a much more reliable statistic due to bots

Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
- Yup, came here to say that as well. it's al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.
  And I've been seeing some...odd looking.... comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.
- Yeah theres no way lemmy instances that were struggling to scale 2 weeks ago with a few thousand users active are supporting 2.5mill suddenly

wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!

Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!
- I'm waiting for when I open sync for reddit and see a link to sync for lemmy
  https://lemmy.world/c/syncforlemmy
- The web app wefwef.app is actually a really great alternative to apollo for lemmy! I'm using it right now on android, and while it does feel weird with the ui differences it has gestures and the same interface and generally feels really good.
- Yeah once the first hits we're gonna see a huge spike in users. The growth right now is just from people who deleted their accounts in protest on the 12th.
  
  I stopped "protesting" once it was obvious that reddint doesn't care. I'll obviously stop using the site once they cut me off though.

There was a pretty big jump in active instances, too!
Active daily user count is about 50k.

How much is bots tho
- My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I'm hopeful they're not all bots too :P
  
  You sir are a legend
- More than 12
- i've only been on the platform for a few days but i've noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there's been a good bit of activity.
  
  yea track the monthly active users number. It continues to go up. And on lemmy, to be "active", a user actually has to post, not just sign in and lurk.
  Conversely, kbin doesn't really track active users, so it's more or less the same as total users.
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- Yes

First post, post-Reddit 🥴
- I'm enjoying sitting here with popcorn and watching Reddit burn. It's like viewing someone destroy their company in real-time.
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Are any of these accounts bots?
Or maybe how many of these accounts are bots?
Are they all bots?
- Around 95% accounts are bots. Around 90% if we are positive and assume that a lot of redditors joined since the bot farming started.
  
  Thats seems bad. I know some bots are hepful. But 1 million bots seems like they for something nefariously.
  
  So what are the Bots doing? Who created them and why? I don't understand the purpose of bots.
  
  I'm looking active user all time. It's 50k person
- I'm no bot and joined 6 days ago :)
  
  Welcome friend.
- Are any of these accounts bots?
  About 2.45 million of the 2.5 are, yes.
  
  As i suspected.
- Yes unfortunately but lemmy is still growing
  I'm going to link my comment because I don't want to rewrite it for everyone I reply to where it is relevant
  https://lemmy.world/comment/548294
  
  Thanks for the reply!
  And I totally agree.

Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.
- I barely touch Reddit nowadays, I never thought that'd be possible...
  Seems like it ink needs a stupid AF CEO to achieve that!

Spez gettin sweaty
- arms are heavy
  
  Mom's forgetty
  
  Mom's spaghetti

+1, just joined the party.

I’m enjoying it so much more with the app development. Devs trying to accomplish the goal of instilling the feeling of Apollo for us refugees coming. I just needed useful communities, with posts that people reply to with more and more information. Reddit still defeats lemmy there but I’m hoping it changes a bit.

Are these real people or bots? So far lemmy and the fediverse have been great experience I like it and won't go back to reddit. Hope it's real people and we can enjoy this new fresh start!
- I'm a new person that joined within the last few days, so they're not all bots, that's for sure.
  
  That’s what a bot would say!!
- I think you can somewhat assure that most of them aren't bots, since bots get banned fairly quickly by mods of instances and most instances have systems to make sure the bot will not pass through so easily

Yeah I just found out about this project/the fediverse, been looking for several weeks for the best replacement to Reddit and this is by far the most promising. Also, as a self-hosting enthusiast, I'm liking this place more and more by the minute. With any luck increased visibility will continue to push activity & content. Power to the people.
- It'll take a while for the volume to trickle down to the smaller more niche communities, but I have already seen the volume increase tremendously in the large ones. Let's enjoy the ride.

good to see but hope the bots can be purged at some point.

Apollo user coming over from Reddit

(Lemmy.world) server:

Look at the graph and the uptick in activity. Note that on June 8, Reddit's u/iamthatis posted Apollo's intent to shut down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/

It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.
I'm confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?
The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.
- “average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
  
  That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. "Lemmit.Online Bot" has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.
  I wouldn't be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.
  
  It’s still an average. The mean average precisely. The modal average is most likely zero but the median average is probably greater than zero.
- 50k active users is still pretty damn good growth. Weren't we at like 40k just a week or so ago?
- Also, average comments per day was rising fast but as of today it has suddenly slowed down? I'm guessing there must be some kind of bug in the system
  
  Lemmy.world doesn't synchronized with other instances. Every comments and posts lemmy.world users do are not seen by the other instances. Why? Lemmy.world is still on 0.17, and the other instances are on 0.18 for the majority

Yes we can!
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Hopefully Lemmy continues to grow

Very nice to see this for Lemmy.
- Agreed, I know there's arguments about bots and such in this thread but this is all good news. If we have these problems, it means we're doing something right.

Huzzah!
And now that I’m in the beta for Limbo / Liftoff, I’m loving it. The web experience was not great for me on mobile.
Servers still seem slow though. Posting a comment is slow. Loading images is slow. But I’m not going to complain about that when this kind of explosive growth is happening. Keeping things up at all is impressive.
- How to become a beta user?
  
  If you’re on iPhone, install TestFlight in the AppStore and after that join through this link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/e6ZEbxuR

These are some really great stats and I'm loving it :D
- /\

alright, it's happening

Let's GO!

Even the bots migrated from Reddit.

Yet it feels like an echo chamber. My local community I created had 3-4 posts per day until 2 days ago. Now zero people are posting lol
- That’s generally not what people mean when they use the term “echo chamber”.
  
  But it’s so empty that there’s an echo.
  
  Eh, still won't hear any dissenting opinions