Lemmy Just Broke the 54k MAU Record Set During the 2023 API Exodus!

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And then in 5-10 years the users will destroy it like everything else on the Internet...

Seriously, though, make me wrong - because this kind of model is so new to me, I don't know, is there anything different about this that will resist it going the way of things that were once good and eventually weren't, like Craigslist and Reddit?

Obviously a lot of Reddit sucks due to how it's run, but let's not overlook that part of its downfall, like with Craigslist, is the users as it grew having no respect for the model. I've been on my way out since well before the API exodus (and yet I was addicted and too lazy until now, that's on me). People posting whatever they want wherever they want and having very little understanding of nuance in language ("oddly satisfying" doesn't just mean "I like this"), misusing downvoting (I know I'm yelling at clouds, but that was where Reddit was doomed from the start to become an echo chamber, and I didn't know if Lemmy is different in that respect - do votes determine visibility here?), moderators becoming more power hungry, and I'm sorry if this is mean, but the userbase trending younger steering content much more to "mah crush, aitah?," fake stories for "points," and I feel the general populace there being more gullible. Not to mention the same comments being made over and over, and I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about constant "this is the way" and "username checks out."

I've seen so many actual discussions here already that are full of real passion and good points even when they're heated, some lovely user created and has posted around a really through socialist reading list. I've only seen "this is the way" once. Reddit is lazy one-word answers and downvotes. How do we encourage this and discourage that?

Anyway, I rant. This place is great now and will only get better as it grows, but I hope this model will in some way resist that downfall. But I've come to accept that nothing on the Internet is permanent. And also that people are gonna people and if I don't like that, it's on me to leave.

This seems unrealistic in my opinion. Normal people really don't like to donate, unfortunately. I think that Lemmy needs to make it so anyone can easily self host an instance without too much fuss. Something like docker on an old laptop. I know they have docker containers for Lemmy already, but in my opinion, they aren't simple enough to set up. And there should be an option to bundle it with a wireguard VPN tunnel, so that they really don't need to fuff about with reverse proxy to browse on your phone. This way, the cost is distributed across all users. It should be that setting up a domain and port forwarding should be the largest hurdle.

I figured the planned paywalling of content was going to be the last straw for me, but then they gave me a fucking warning for upvoting. I made a Lemmy account the same day. Fuck them.

The paywall shit is still planned for this year afaik so be prepared to see more of Reddit heading this way.

want the formerly leftist site to go full maga now.

Reddit and X, sitting in a tree.

The change was merged in Dec 2023 (see here). The Reddit Exodus was in summer 2023.

Probably in the 0.19.3 changelog. There was a bump when LW changed, and I don't think they've updated since

Fuck the algorithm. Idk why people like that shit.

I hate everyone on lemmy but at least I'm hating people

This is one of the reasons I stayed. It was still small enough back then that you actually started to recognize people you had conversations with, and not just the troll farms.

Or if you like it simple I can only recommend Jerboa

Yup that’s what I’ve been using. The only downside is it’s hard to know who responds to whom.

Insta-ban!

It's mostly because people keep recommending LW instead of other instances.

think the biggest instance, lemmy.world, not being operated by the Lemmy devs is also a good health indicator

Doubly so considering how the main devs manage their instance according to their highly controversial political views LMAO

There are no followers on Lemmy

Yeah, 1 bill with all the bots and alt accounts maybe.

In spez’s wildest jizz wet dreams there are 1 billion Reddit users.

Also never underestimate how many bots there are. And how many users have 10+ accounts. Seeing less evidence of that on Lemmy so far, though who knows honestly.

If they're doing that, it means they're counting unique IPs, which is a ridiculous metric. Even lemmy would have easily 10x the MAU with it.

It doesn't really matter. For one thing, MAU and unique users are different metrics and they're both valid, so if Lemmy is counting verified uniques they can just call it that.

For another, I looked at the data for logged in users and Fedi's MAU is 0.125% of their daily logged in users, so the point stands regardless.

I super agree, would rather have one decent regular than a thousand average redditors who don't fit the vibe around here

Like Haskell's (unofficial) motto, "Avoid success at all costs". Depending on circumstance, that should be read as "(Avoid success) at all costs" or "Avoid (success at all costs)". We're mostly in the latter condition I think, with only a couple of things (such as DMs) being shoddy enough that success should be avoided.

It may or may not be.

It is definitely not inflating its numbers by the orders of magnitude it'd take to make a dent on this particular takeaway.

Yep. Which ends up being why old forums were such tight-knit communities. You ended up hanging out with a handful of people. I'm mostly fine with that. If anything, it requires starting something yourself for your niche interests and being fine with it being dormant most of the time.

Our most precious features is you'll never have to. If a community turns to shit, they just get defederated. If you can't find a server that defederates them, you can host it yourself. Your groups will be smaller, and you'll lose something in the transition, but what you have is what you'll put up with.

Eh. to some degree, enshittification is going to happen as more people come in, because more people = more shitty people. If we want to have the good niche communities that are IMO the only excellent thing about reddit, we'll have to put up with the fact that that also means a bunch of annoying people use the service.

At least Lemmy has far, far better tools for dealing with them.

be the change you want to see. Post and upvote.

I think this is an artifact of what's oddly the biggest weakness of the fediverse: decentralization.

When I used reddit back pre-api stuff, my front page was 100% niche subs I'd subscribed to, but those niches have trouble le growing here because there's so many instances.

I was super active in the scuba subreddit. Here on Lemmy, there's several scuba groups that tried to form, but none of them stuck because they were all on different instances instead of one central location where everyone could work together to make the community.

As a result, most of us haven't been filtering out 99% of Lemmy because the 1% where we'd be active doesn't exist. It's like joining reddit and having your frontpage be /r/all. It's a shitty experience that g9ves a lot of weight to political posts.

Sort by "hot"

We can say whatever the hell we want

Can you say Luigi lol. Son, you're required to pledge allegiance to Luigi before every post you make here.

It's more frowned upon to not do so.

This is exactly what I was wondering.

Thanks

Start at the top.

Yup

They just announced they were coming back the other day 😂

That's the one I like. Or piefeds mobile on Firefox.

This one looks sleak af.

I tried it but I have one beef with it: once logged in, my subscribed communities are no longer appearing and i have to resubbscribe to all of them. I did it once on phtn and wouldn't want to do it all over again as I'm hopping around lemmy apps.

Interesting. Is mbin the same as kbin or?

Will look on it too, heard about it back in 2023 but never tried it.

Phtn.app is actually a website/selfhosted interface for lemmy. The mobile PWA is a big buggy, but the desktop one works fine.

I also just use the web interface and it is so simple and excellent to use. I will never use an app for this.

It seems like the other two tools only report about 49k MAU, any idea why?

Fedidb used to have graphs for lemmy no? Now its only for all fediverse stuff combined :/

imo we should focus on a statistic on the entire Threadiverse instead of only Lemmy. After all, these software are highly intercompatible, so excluding them doesn't make sense.