Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris
Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris
The former vice presidential nominee offered a blunt mea culpa on MSNBC.
Summary
Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.
"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.
Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.
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The voters deserve a lot of blame here.
You can lead a horse to water....
Any ADULT can easily see that politicians are going to be imperfect, and no single candidate is going to align 100% with your stance. Demanding that they do, or else you'll vote for literally the worst possible option, or sit out, or vote a "protest" vote, all so that someone, somewhere will "learn" something is just fucking childish and stupid. And this will be continue to be true no matter how many times the Tone Police show up to admonish people about blaming voters. Sorry, not sorry: I blame the voters.
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I agree, I'm also happy that people like Walz seem to want to give people a better option, making a protest vote even less appealing.
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Defeated Democratic candidate: accepts responsibility in the lightest possible way
Liberal fanboy: Noooo, it's not your fault, it's the children who were wrong!
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Yeah, us voters are children, and we need politicians to baby us
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I didn't say Walz, Kamala, Biden or the Democratic Party in general have no blame.
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I blame the voters.
It means you never have to listen or change in any way, so of course you do.
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LOL, I am a voter. Are you under the impression that I have any direct influence over the Democratic Party? 🤣
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LOL, I am a voter. Are you under the impression that I have any direct influence over the Democratic Party?
According to your comment, voters are to blame, not the infallible holy party. So good work electing trump. It's all your fault.
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says the guy, responding to the guy who literally voted for that fucking party.
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Nobody demanded that Harris align 100% with their stance; they demanded that she not be an absolute pile of shit of a candidate. That distinction matters.
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she was actually pretty ok? The one thing that was bad about her was the israel stance, which is like maybe 5% of the voter base that ACTUALLY cares about that enough.
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So first a lot more than 5% of the Democrat voter base cares about Gaza. I won't get into the weeds, but there.
The one thing that was bad about her was the israel stance,
No? She would've won at least two or three swing states if that was the case. Her economic policy (or lack thereof, more accurately) was horrible. She dedicated the final two months of her campaign almost exclusively to "Trump bad" rhetoric while not promising to do anything for her constituents. I mean this woman was asked what she'd do different from Biden economically and she said "nothing comes to mind". Status quo politics just won't cut it in this day and age.
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So first a lot more than 5% of the Democrat voter base cares about Gaza. I won’t get into the weeds, but there.
i'm talking about the voter base that actually cares enough to influence their vote over it. I'm sure if you polled the public it;s like 90% or higher who care about it at all, like 40% support israel, 60% against israel, and like 5% of those is "fuck israel i hope it burns to the ground and that palestine re conglomerates into israel" type of people.
No? She would’ve won at least two or three swing states if that was the case. Her economic policy (or lack thereof, more accurately) was horrible.
"her economic policy was bad" bro, did you see ANYTHING that trump said? Literally an irrelevant argument. Especially now.
She dedicated the final two months of her campaign almost exclusively to “Trump bad” rhetoric while not promising to do anything for her constituents.
I remember her talking about a lot of things she and walz were going to do, that was like a pretty big deal. Was their entire plan, not all of it was great, but it existed, unlike trump.
I mean this woman was asked what she’d do different from Biden economically and she said “nothing comes to mind”. Status quo politics just won’t cut it in this day and age.
yeah and? Biden had pretty good economic policy? Aside from the whole covid thing, but you have no choice there, unless you want a global recession, more like a depression. Again, trumps economic policy has been an utter disaster in comparison.
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i'm talking about the voter base that actually cares enough to influence their vote over it.
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
bro, did you see ANYTHING that trump said? Literally an irrelevant argument.
Don't move the goalposts. Here's what you said:
she was actually pretty ok? The one thing that was bad about her was the israel stance, which is like maybe 5% of the voter base that ACTUALLY cares about that enough.
We're talking about Harris on her own merit, not about Trump.
I remember her talking about a lot of things she and walz were going to do, that was like a pretty big deal.
Like? Give me something specific she clearly said she would do for the working class and a link of her saying it in September or October.
yeah and? Biden had pretty good economic policy? Aside from the whole covid thing, but you have no choice there, unless you want a global recession, more like a depression.
He did well on the economic recovery front, but he or example didn't go after price gouging. His economic policies were a step in the right direction, not an end state to campaign on.
Again, trumps economic policy has been an utter disaster in comparison.
Again, that is literally not what we're talking about.
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centrists think "second worst" means "good".
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Any ADULT can easily see that politicians are going to be imperfect
The best I can do is fall for blatant Russian propaganda and then get mad when someone calls me out on it.
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It sure is convenient how all criticism comers from russians so you can ignore it.
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You'll have to try better than that comrade.
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Kind of like anyone that finds faults with other leftists is a "centrist", right?
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Don't you have voters to blame for your party's decades of complete incompetence?
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TRUE I LOVE TAKING UP ONE SIDED POSITIONS LIKE FUCK ISRAEL I HOPE EVERYONE IN THAT COUNTRY DIES A HORRIBLE AND PAINFUL DEATH
this is satire, hi hello, im doing political satire
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Tim Walz explained it the other day at SXSW.
Politicians are like teachers. If it's Tim Walz's job to teach kids about geography, and then test them to check if he taught well, if the outcomes of that test show that half the class passes and half fails, then the blame for that is on the teacher. The teacher could have taught differently, teaching in different styles to adequately reach out to students where they're at in life and according to their specific learning styles. He might teach the same topic 5-6 different ways to capture as many people as possible.
The Harris-Walz campaign didn't do that. They had terrible messaging as soon as the DNC hit. When Harris brought Walz on, there was actual progressive momentum. But then Harris bent the knee to establishment Democrats, and they lost the election.
I will not believe that it's the voters' fault for the election outcome. If Democrats were sober enough to realize Trump's threat and wanted to really fire people up, they would have may the necessary changes to do so.
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Harris could have aligned with 99% of what I wanted, but that 1% was OK with genocide, and that should have been a red line for anyone.
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So, the alternative was little d, because that's so much better?
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The alternative in every instance is always no Democrats. We already have a right wing party, we don't need two.
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There were two viable options only.
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based and true, thank you.
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You're being mean to me! I hate you mean liberals! You're always picking on leftists who just want to let fascists become president
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