Technology @lemmy.world Sunshine (she/her) @lemmy.ca 3d ago

Signal no longer cooperating with Ukraine on Russian cyberthreats, official says

therecord.media Signal no longer cooperating with Ukraine on Russian cyberthreats, official says

The encrypted messaging app Signal has stopped responding to requests from Ukrainian law enforcement regarding Russian cyberthreats, a Ukrainian official claimed, warning that the shift is aiding Moscow’s intelligence efforts.

Buy European @feddit.uk Bondar @lemmy.world 2d ago

This is why you go European even if the company is open-source

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First off, Signal hasn't said anything, this is an accusation made at a conference in Kyiv. So - who knows, they're behind, they don't have billions to support an army, who knows.

IF they have chosen to not help Ukraine where at all possible, that would be bad.

All of that said, if I was running a modern army using an encrypted chat app, I'd fucking have all that shit in-house, wtf. It's 2025. Ukraine already has a bunch of l337 h4X0rs. I'm sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
- not to mention the Signal protocol is open source so they could literally build something in days and ensure the same encryption
  
  Maintaining and testing such an app has costs and risks. They may think it’s more secure that signal does this. It is also harder to attack all of signal.
  
  They are also significantly resource constrained, everything they have goes towards defence. The effort building the app could be deployed on developing weapon systems they can’t buy.
  
  Your right nations should have their own independent systems for secure communications for military, politicians and civil service.
- Moreover, its not like Ukraine hasnt been pushing for localized tech stack since at least 2016-2018 ish.
  
  Yeah they are slowly moving to matrix afaik
  
  Really? Could you provide some sources? I'm curious to learn more.
- Simplex is probably ready now. It's self-hostable, and has strong encryption.
  
  I wish. SimpleX has a notification/delivery issue on iOS—it's not reliable at all over there.
  
  Most Ukrainians are probably priced out from Apple products. I don't think iOS is a concern in their use case.
  
  They have over 30% ios devices, for whatever reasons iphones are very popular in Ukraine.
  
  What about android?
- I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
  
  We make a lot of assumptions about how other people live, and what they have available.

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