Mahmoud Khalil Is the First Activist to Be Disappeared by Trump

ITT: Great examples of why the US has failed. Too many people trying to say “c’mon it’s bad but not that bad!” Actually it is, these are all tests to see what the population will put up with, they’re boiling the frog slowly and the frog is telling anyone trying to help it to “calm down”.

Seriously. It is disgusting to me the number of people in these comments saying that it's not "disappeared" unless it comes from the Baidibek region of South Kazakhstan, otherwise it's just sparkly intermittent periods of people not knowing where he is before he's found again in some heinously abusive private prison without having been charged with anything.

The title here is very misleading (probably for clicks). Both his supporters and the media still onoe where he is... in a Detention Facility in Louisiana.

There was a significant length of time when they didn't.

Both of the white people who were recently accidentally thrown by ICE into detention centers designed for brown people reported (a) that they were horrifying, with nonstop screaming, solitary confinement, shortages of fundamental human things like clothing and towels, that kind of thing (b) there were people who had been there for a long, long time (the more recent one said "years"). Reportedly, even for white people who clearly don't "belong there," there is a shortage of judges who might ever give them a hearing which would lead quickly to them being able to get out, and so in they stay.

Khalil has been disappeared. The fact that people temporarily know where he is after not knowing for a few days (!), and that they found someone who was an "immigrant" and so ICE had some kind of fig-leaf of justification to randomly snatch because Trump told them to, in no way detracts from the horrifying nature of what's going on. I think "disappeared" is a pretty accurate description even if it's been temporarily announced where he is.

I don't know what to do. This article is one of the first I've read in the press that is as alarmed as people should be about what is going on.
- I wonder who runs places like that. They should stop and it should be looked into.
- which white people are you talking about? Why do you report their word specifically?
- Being disappeared means one day someone vanishes. No-one knows where they are, what happened to them, or who is responsible. This is not that.
They didn't at first... and if it hadn't gotten so much attention, who's to say what could have happened?
- People’s whereabouts being uncertain just after detention is simply standard bureaucracy. It certainly doesn’t rise to the level of being disappeared.
Not the first time nor the last headlines will lie.

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First they came for the activists, and I __ speak out.

That aside, I have to say, this author is savage.

HES AN ILLEGAL THAT HAD HIS VISA REVOKED FOR COMMITTING A CRIME.

That’s the bullshit their claiming. What actually happened is a legal immigrant with a valid green card, married to an American citizen, was arrested, illegally detained, and trafficked across state lines without due process for peacefully protesting against the American government.

This is a truly insane story and a very real example of an authoritarian police state. He is being arrested for expressing his opinion, which is not a crime, and the police will not state which crime he is accused of committing, only that due to his freedom of expression and speech, the State Department was told to revoke his visa. Which apparently puts someone into a nightmare situation of being transported to a private prison in another state while waiting to be deported. Which might be able to all be done without ever charging him with a crime, much less proving anything in a court of law. The only thing is the false accusation he is a Hamas supporter of some kind, which itself isn't even a crime unless you send them money. Being against a genocide or forced exodus is not about being for the government of the place being targeted. It's a false equivalence. In fact, in the United States, you have the right to support reprehensible groups like Hamas. Just ask the State Department, Mossad, the CIA and others, who for many years financially supported them as they ran Palestine. Obviously this changed after October 7th, but it's still a fact. Now you have this guy being targeted like a police state with no rights at all and who knows what will happen to him now.

It also says a lot that New York allowed him to be taken to Louisiana and put in a private prison without any charges being filed. I guess ICE can just do that without the normal process of an arrest and extradition. This of course would have required actually charging him with a crime. Rubio said it has to do with his reprehensive support of Hamas, which isn't proven, then he went on to try to pin awful things Hamas has done on him. Even if he does support Hamas, which is wrong to do, it's still an administration that is trying to bring back the nazi salute, saying you can't openly support an anti-israeli regime. So much for the Constitution. And by the way, even on a student visa, just by virtue of being in this country you are afforded certain protections under the Constitution and due process must be one of those. Where's the crime?

Libs would rather attack anti-genocide protesters than oppose genocide.

See also: previous administration, failed presidential candidate, comments in this thread, etc.

I don't know why I didn't anticipate anyone coming in here to say "And that's why Biden was terrible", but I should have.

I am reminded just overall in the comments section here, why I do not come to !politics@lemmy.world. It's about 50% just the stupidest possible takes you could imagine on whatever's going on.

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Come to a better place! I won't say it's all sunshine and roses, but look over the comments here. It can't just be this, man. It can't. We're better than this, or we should be.
- Anything regarding Gaza, the same idiots come in saying "I thought trump was gonna save Gaza then huh?" Or "biden woulda done the same thing if not worse" like both are these freaks don't realise they talking about a genocide, these idiots don't have a concept of what a genocide is, most of them are most privileged basement dwelling losers who can't comprehend a fraction of Gaza's pain, because they all gooners
Liberals have no morals

We really do need to choose words wisely when we talk about these things. Inflammatory language only serves to undermine your argument when your claims can be dismissed as exaggeration. Is this a horrific situation? Yes. Is it illegal? Almost certainly. Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming? Not yet! The Trump admin is allowing Khalil access to family and lawyers, and he will have his day in court. When the arrestees aren't located in a day and given due process, then we can call them disappeared. Until then, call this what it is and no more. Be factual so people can't as easily dismiss your facts.

Due process?

There is no pretense that he has committed a crime, or isn’t in the country legally. He has a green card.

What the fuck do you mean, due process?

The holocaust was legal. In that sense, the sense of “they are ICE and so by definition, whatever fucked-up thing they do is ‘legal’,” they are following due process. If there is any other one, I’m not aware of it. Can you help me understand?

Fuckin’ due process. What on earth do you mean by that? What process are they following?
- Due process means the process of going through the court system. Nothing more. The courts are there, almost in theory at this point, to determine legality and/or guilt. Cases can get tossed over illegal actions by law enforcement.
  
  But, for most people the damage has already been done even if they are not found guiltily. That's what these actions were, to send a message.
His own lawyers don't even know where he is. He might already be out of the country.
Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming?

What? Yes it is that
Can you get out of your own butthole for a minute?
It's not inflammatory language to describe a thing as it is, it's your normality bias showing to imply that thing that's obviously what it is is anything but

Disappeared means not knowing what happened to someone. We know what happened here. This is egregious, but not for why they say it is.

Would you prefer “attempted disappearing” (since they weren’t successful?
- They blasted it on the WhiteHouse.gov page. It wasn't even an attempted disappearing. It was a brag... so, to answer your question: No.
  
  Media organizations seem to have a problem reporting accurately. Either it's this fluffy-assed senationalization to get clicks, or it's a false equivocation or downplaying like with "resembling a Nazi salute" when reporting on Musk. Reporters and their publications have become so weak-willed. Journalism is dying a hard death.
- No, because they didn’t attempt to disappear him.