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Trump again demands the annexation of Canada

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A new poll suggests few Canadians are open to President Donald Trump’s repeated pitches for Canada to become a U.S. state, though interest in it rises among Conservative supporters and those living in Alberta.
- I recently met two Albertans out here in South Korea at a bar. They were on the other side of the bar from me, and when they walked past, I greeted them as an Ontarian and offered to shake their hands. They both declined the handshake and proudly announced, "We're not on the same team."
  
  That was a few weeks ago. I'm still disturbed by it. I knew Albertans had a reputation because of the politicking there. But I hadn't realized it would be so blatant. That same night, two South Africans happily asked me my thoughts on Trump, and I was perhaps too honest in my first statement, and they grew upset with me and insisted he was good for Canadians and South Africans, both.
  
  I left the bar not long after. Haven't seen those four come back, so there is a bright side to the story, at least.
  
  They refused to shake your hand because you are from Ontario? What the heck.... they need mental health care.
  
  Yeah you don't get that in Alberta through
  
  Well, that's comforting to hear!
  
  Its a low taxed province, which could mean lower services. Oil fields, and trucks. It attracts the type of person that cares about themselves rather than society. (I'm generalizing of course, there are good people there also) There's a reason we call it Northern Texas, and it's just not because of the cowboy hats.
  
  Edmonton and Calgary are, unsurprisingly more for progressive policies.
  
  Yeah big cities, less hicks
  
  That's just Alberta....
  
  Angry that we're not freezing in the dark.
  
  Lol they should fucking stay in South Korea. They are definately in the minority, it's a larger minority then most of Canadas opinion but goddamn they are still a minority. Should have told them to never fucking come back
  
  No, I don't want them here, haha. This is my future home, I don't need that nonsense here! It's also my friend's bar, so I don't particularly want to ruin business for him. But I did talk with him about it later.
  
  Hope those 4 are already on their planes home after their bosses realized they hired trash.
  
  If you have to share space with them again, may I suggest bringing up what it's like being a "migrant worker in Korea"? Groceries are a little different, you miss your oven maybe, the usual foreigner small talk, but keep using the term migrant worker (or temporary foreign worker, for those racist Canucks). When they correct you with the term "expat" - as their beliefs dictate they must - ask them to explain the difference and don't let up when they deflect. Insta explody heads every time.
  
  I'm really sorry that happened to you (and anyone else in the bar who had to witness it). Even more sorry that Korea keeps getting the dregs whose only marketable skill is their ability to speak their own language. Guaranteed, each of those assholes has at least 1 dramatic story about how really racist Koreans are against white people though (like, my coworkers weren't impressed that I can eat hot sauce, a woman wouldn't give up her seat on the bus when it was was obvious my feet hurt, nobody cares I can do the Gagnam Style dance, where's the Korean wife I was promised, etc).
  
  My friends from Alberta are not like that. But they did get banned from Canadian Tire during covid, since they are native.
- as an albertan,
  
  sorry
- Because they're giving into Russian propaganda
  
  Russia is fighting in a war against the world and nobody cares.
- Stop both siding this nonsense.
  
  That's not what is happening. I know it's upsetting that there are people who believe differently than you do. That's what this article is about: that there exist people with some truly upsetting opinions, and furthermore, that we know a bit about their demographic make up.
  
  The more you platform them the more voice and visibility they get, which ends up drawing support for this 51st nonsense. I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit. They should stop voting for policies and parties that privilege the rich. But they’re too dumb for even that.
  
  I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit.
  
  How the fuck else do you hope to... no, never mind. We're not having a discussion, you're just making emotional expressions. But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or "dumb" might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.
  
  But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.
  
  I'm not the person you were responding to but I just wanted to make perfectly clear that you are 100% full of shit.
  
  It doesn't give anyone ANY measure of "cope" that so many people are fucking stupid. Its terrifying, despairing, and awful. I would rather delusionally believe I could convince them of rational stances, now that would be cope.
  
  You should probably.. idk, actually read what they said.
  
  Treating everyone you disagree with like they're stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they've written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
  
  Yes, approaching discourse this way and believing that you can achieve any kind of middle ground is delusional.
  
  Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
  
  You don't know fuck all how much I've done precisely that. I obsessively debated various political and economic ideologies for like a straight decade of my life in invite-only forums specifically designed for such debate. I changed my own mind over time, and changed other people's minds. I've done it.
  
  But I promise you, the people supporting these ideas proposed by the Trump administration are not just stupid, but WILLINGLY IGNORANT for their own selfish purposes. The amount coursing hatred I feel for them burns like the accretion disc of a quasar.
  
  They are not people I would bother to debate. They are quite literally just my enemy. Mortal enemies. I don't want middle ground with them. I want something else.
  
  So, and correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but you - from a series of echo chambers - managed to come to the conclusion that those trapped in echo chambers can't be convinced they're wrong?
  
  Am I reading that correctly?
  
  It was literally the opposite of an echo chamber. It was full of people with vastly different ideologies and included even "sub flavors" of said ideologies. Liberals/Neoliberals/Social Democrats, Conservatives/NeoCons/PaleoCons, Libertarians/Anarcho-Capitalists, Communists/Socialists, Monarchists, Fascists/Nazis/Strasserites/Neoconfederates, every flavor of Anarchist. Hell, it had an unironic Anarcho-Primitivist somehow (yes they got the "But you're on the internet, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?" a lot).
  
  It was a dedicated invite-only debate arena on Reddit. Moderated by Libertarians, who might have fucking stupid beliefs but apparently make for very relaxed moderators.
  
  Ah, ok - that makes more sense. What was the goal? Simply a realm for debate?
  
  Just FYI, it's wilfully ignorant, not "willingly ignorant". Not that it matters, but I can see you were trying to make a point but it kind of fell apart at "willingly". Sorry, I accept my downvotes with dignity. Making comments like this is a thankless job, but someone's got to do it.
  
  trying to make a point but it kind of fell apart at “willingly”
  
  To me this seems like a pretty minor grammatical error that does nothing to detract from the point being made.
  You're welcome to correct it, but to me it feels analogous to getting distracted by a smudge on the page when reading a letter.
  
  I just wanted to say kudos for actually explaining your position. It's too easy to make assumptions about what people are saying over text, and a lot of debates end badly because someone decides the other is malicious or willingly/willfully ignorant before they're even given the opportunity to explain their reasoning.
  
  I 100% agree there are some people that are beyond reasoning with. Their brain is locked in to emotional, irrationally habits, and changing such a fundamental point of view is painful. On the other hand though, I think it's worthwhile to try and understand their behaviors and what life experiences contributed to their world view. How else can we expect to better educate ourselves and future generations?
  
  I can unequivocally say that anyone entertaining the idea of Canada as a state as a good idea - is a fucking tool. Yeah I’m going to write that off. There’s no middle ground with people too dumb to realize they would be much worse off in that scenario.
  
  There is a very important difference between "platforming" and "reporting" and you really should to learn what it is before you start policing people.
  
  Platforming is perhaps the wrong term, maybe "selective reporting" and "cherry picking" fits better.
  
  You should look up what that word means

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