They're not what they pretend to be!

The french Qobuz. Has close to perfect 1 to 1 match with content in my experience, and it has a service to help you transfer all playlists

Ooooh, didn't know about the playlist transfer, I've got to dig into that!
I'm looking at the reviews and they're not good. Apparently tracks just disappear from one day to the next, searching doesn't work, bad UI, hi res downloads often don't work, cancellations are being ignored, etc.
- Never had any of those problems
- Funny, because I have all those problems with Spotify! I mean, search works, but only for well known music, and every once in a while one of the tracks in my playlist will just be grayed out and unplayable.
- If true, disturbing.
  
  They have a free trial, so it's easy to find out. :)

Lidarr, Jellyfin, and Music Assistant

Ok but serious question, I don't want to personally manage my music library on a server. For movies and TV this is fine, I consume a couple of these a day but if I want a steady stream of new music streaming apps have made all this very easy and very convenient.

When my 4 year old yells out in the car for a specific song, will these cover it?
- I might be in the wrong place for this sentiment, but I also seriously want to pay for my music.
  
  Buy directly from the band to support them because streaming services pay pennies. That's my excuse to buy merch from artists I love. Concert ticket sales don't have very high margins, either.
  
  Duder, you are not wrong. But I also am a) lazy b) busy with a tiny kid c) unlikely to fairly apportion my patronage if left to my own devices.
  
  I hear you. I agree with you. But, in a perfect world, I need to find a service that at least ostensibly aligns with my ideals and allows me centralize my expenses in this area.
  
  Edit: on second thought, my uneducated position is that I’d rather pay cents to everyone whose music I enjoy than 20 bucks to one band whose shirt I wanna wear. I haven’t thought this position through deeply, but this is my first impression of the sitch atm.
  
  I’d rather pay cents to everyone whose music I enjoy
  
  I listen to a lot of music. a lot a lot. a few years ago, according to Spotify, I listened more than 99.5% users in my country. and when out of curiosity, I took my listening stats and used the publicly available info on Spotify's payouts to estimate how much I contributed, it turned out that my most listened artist barely got a dollar from me during that year.
  
  This person speaks wisdom.
  
  If your are talking about Spotify, my understanding is that you are not directly contributing cents to each artist you listen to based on plays, but rather based on overall popularity pool. Your subscription money then mainly goes to Taylor Swift. You do increase the popularity of the artist, but if you for instance like some hard-to-digest music you listen to once in a while, that does not really do much.
  
  I’m going to look into this. You come bearing dark news if this is true. Thank you for typing this out.
  
  The payment model is described in the book Chokepoint Capitalism by Rebecca Giblin and Corey Doctorow, which is where I have it from. Then the small caveat that I might be misremembering something or that I misunderstood something.
  
  Not based.
  
  I try to make up for it other ways 🤣

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Qobuzz?

I can survive using a different service for my podcasts. So this sounds like a good shout. But I’m impressed by the fact they supposedly have as many tracks as Spotify.

Will chase this down.
- I think using anotger service for podcasts is important Podcasts are free, but Spotify has been trying to hijack the scene and ruin it for everyone.
  
  Personally I like AntennaPod.
- @OrloNorppa@sopuli.xyz

Soulseek

Qobuz !

Not available in my country (eu)
- It's french so that's weird, what is your country?
  
  Yeah, I was surprised as well, I'm in Hungary. Based on their TOS it's not available in a lot of eastern EU countries unfortunately.

Buying from, and supporting the artist directly, IMO.

Many European metal bands host their own webshop selling their merchandise, records, cassettes and CDs; many small and independent musicians sell their songs on Bandcamp (US based website that does take a cut from each payment, 15% I believe goes to Bandcamp, so that is something to keep in mind)

Honestly, the benefit of streaming services is not being able to listen to music legally. It's discovery. Playing a song I like and getting recommended a similar song turn an artist I've never heard of has introduced me to a lot of great music. That's not something you can replicate by going to the webshop of your favorite band and buying their newest album.
- That's something you could recreate with a scrobbling service like last.fm (don't use last.fm though, they are owned by CBS).
  
  A quick Google search leads me to ListenBrains, which is also American, but operated by a non-profit.
  
  I've used neither service and my music listening habits never relied on algorithmic recomendations, so I could totally be talking out of my ass here. But it could be worth a look.
  
  The problem there is that scrobblers aren't nearly as convenient as a streaming service. With a scrobbler I have to actively check out recommendations. With a streaming service I can just have it play related songs until I get one I really like.

Deemix

and Lucida
- What the actual fuck? How did I not know about this? I mean… I want to pay for my music streaming, but for downloads this has changed my fucking life.
  
  THANK. YOU.
  
  Which one did you take?
  
  Wut, bud? Haha. I don’t understand the question.
  
  Edit: I mean Lucida is service I didn’t know existed and I will now use. I dunno if that helps
  
  Jep, I wanted to know which of those two got you that excited
Will investigate. Fanks

I prefer Pandora's algorithm for music. But I haven't looked into their skeletons yet.

Just noticed what community this is. Pandora might also be US-based.
- It works in the UK with a VPN (when I visit anyhow)
I believe they are owned by siriusXM since like 2019

Does anyone here remember radio?

Fuck. I remember taping radio.
- You'd have your favorite mix tape with a bunch of radio announcer clips because they kept talking over the song intros
  
  Drove me INSANE this fucker yapping over the end of Black hole sun. I NEARLY had a clean record, you bastard.
Radio has been mostly bought out by corporations which seem to air more ads than music.

I've got a college radio station for alt rock in my area though that has great music with lots of variety and very few ads.
Web Radio still exists. I use Shortwave for tuning in.

Spotube uses Spotify and gets the music from YouTube. It's a little slow.

I still buy my music song by song from iTunes (I haven't done it since before the drumpfster came to power), I don't rent my music.