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1mo ago

Mozilla Introduces Firefox’s First-Ever Terms of Use

Mozilla Introduces Firefox's First-Ever Terms of Use

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I am very averse to companies breaking my trust.
Mozilla can win it back by explicitly stating what they are collecting, why they are collecting it, and making opt out the default.
- Yeah they're not going to do that until a few people leave the company. And they have no plans to leave.
  
  And that's fine, I'll just use different browsers until they change their stance.
  
  If I were paid that well I would ride the sinking ship all the way to the bottom.
- you mean opt in
  
  No, I mean by default you are opted out.

I remember reading a lot this past year about Mozilla fretting about their market share and trying to figure out how to grow their user base. Did I hallucinate that? Cuz their actions lately appear to be driving users away. Are they taking notes from Google or is there some other MBA making these brilliant changes?
- Remember the Looking Glass fiasco? The people in charge of Firefox are so stupid it's indistinguishable from malice.
  
  Idk the CEOs $6mil salary sounds more like malice to me

We know and that's why I dumped Firefox after 15+ years.
LibreWolf and Floorp is all I have. Oh and I kicked Thunderbird to the curb too for BetterBird.
- What are mobile options here? I'm not really seeing anything better on Android- Waterfox?
  
  I'm on ~~Ironwolf~~ now
  Edit: It's Ironfox, I got that and Librewolf confused in my brain thingy
  
  Fennec from fdroid, it's just Firefox built from source
- very cool. thanks for sharing this. they even have an official flatpak.
- Thunderbird has always been crap. Betterbird is truly better
  
  Betterbird wouldn't exist without thunderbird though. Same with all those firefox forks people are recommending, if Firefox goes under most of those would go under too.
  
  Thunderbird has improved a lot in recent years and I've been using it without problems
  
  Thunderbird really is terrible, but for some reason it never occurred to me to find an alternative. Just commenting here so I remember to look into Betterbird.
  
  The primary reason I hated Thunderbird, was because it would always drop authentication whenever I tried sending e-mail from my Outlook address. Yeah I can see mail coming in for my Outlook e-mail, but I also wanted to send too and I always had to go over to Outlook and deal with the awful and confusing UI to send mail.
  I had just tested BetterBird's capability by sending an e-mail from my Outlook address to one of my GMails and no issues. So, fuck Thunderbird.

Firefox main problem with profitability relevance. They need more people to get people to use their tools
So I just have two questions.
How does this get new users?
How does this help retention?
The only answer is it doesn't and we don't care because we're going to cash out.
I'm not running away, I'll still open Firefox tomorrow like yesterday because the browser landscape is terrible and the shadow of what Firefox was is still good.
But I'm looking for the disruptor because as questionable as a lot of the new smaller browsers are, there are people out there trying and it's going to happen.
- I'm waiting for Ladybird

Here are some good forks. Zen, Waterfox, Floorp.
- Nah, Waterfox and Floorp devs are trying to make money out of their software.
  LibreWolf or Zen
  
  As long as they do it ethically, there's nothing wrong with that. That's also how Foss projects stay alive.
  
  Awh. I was gonna go with Floorp on the name alone. Great name...
- Zen has been really nice for the few days I’ve been using it. It feels real sleek and just more modern over all.
  My computer is a bit old though and I wonder if there is something similar that is even lighter on resources. Zen is still pretty dang light though.

Anyone have any good iOS alternatives? I’m eyeing Orion currently
- Orion looks good as it does not collect any data. I don’t want Apple profiting from my safari usage.
  
  Same. I’m about done with all things big tech. As much as is possible at least. Orion it is! I also saw Vivaldi but I’m not super interested in all the other services that come along with it.
- After reading this comment, I downloaded it and am liking it so far. Thanks for spreading the word about it!

Bye Firefox. Boy we had some good times, huh.

I will stick with Firefox for the time being. One must not forget that Firefox provides the basis for all the alternatives listed here. Despite all the controversy surrounding Mozilla, I still think Firefox is the better alternative to Chrome. And I would like to support this at least until there is a truly free browser. My hope is that Ladybird will be a success. However, it will take at least another 1-2 years until development is so far advanced that it can be used as a browser for everyday use. Until then, I think we should all continue to support Firefox so that it doesn't disappear completely from the market.
- I kind of wish browsers would use cooler names, not "ladybird". Look at Brave. Pretty bad browser, surrounded in questionable stuff, but pretty much estabilished userbase nearly instantly, and I feel like much of that success is simply thanks to a catchy name

ensuring that this way Firefox offers more data collection
I knew it!
- The sentence reads:
  ensuring that this way Firefox offers more data collection and use transparency.
  Are you trying to make a joke or intentionally mislead the people who didn't read the article?
- Take my upvote, no honor to your house, though ;)

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