Tim Walz says he may run for president in 2028 despite failure of Harris campaign

I remember Republicans checking out on elections back in 2018 because they bought hard into the Trump "elections are rigged" propaganda. The GOP lost seven Senate seats that year as conservative turnout plunged.

I wonder if Democrats will make the same mistake in 2026.

Look, guys. I'm rather concerned that the states that haven't seceded by then won't even have electricity anymore.

Or maybe a Hungary-style election where the entire media landscape shills for the ruling class and people on social media are bombarded with misinformation and one-sided reporting.

I'm not confident the results in red states will be accurate to begin with.

The way I read it, electoral college votes are the one thing where individual states can somewhat easily cancel elections for President, as long as they do so before the election. States have broad discretion over the appointment of electors. All states currently appoint them based on the results of elections, but the rules around that are all set by State legislation, and can be reset by States as well. The only Federal requirement is that the rules don't change after any election is held.

Prior Supreme Courts have ruled that things like the Equal Protection clause may be used to challenge any act where the legislature restricts voting rights once they have been granted. But who knows what this clown Court would make of that.

Congressional elections, on the other hand, must be held in order for those seats to be filled. So any state that unilaterally cancels elections across the board will be sending nobody to Congress (and likely any expired Senate terms as well). Some states may go the extra mile and cancel the election for President, but not for Congress. We'll see how that turns out.

once he kicks the bucket, assuming they can't find someone the republican base will support as fervently as trump, the entire party is done for, it will collapse into a blackhole of nothingness.

If that's not the mathematical ideal of democracy,

That is the mathematical ideal of populism.

Democracy is "government by consent of the governed"; There is no good way of democratically electing a singular individual. Which is why the presidency should be little more than a figurehead, with very little actual authority.

My only problem with the “weird” verbiage is that it was far too soft.

The GOP is far beyond “weird” and well into full-blown Fascist territory.

But we wouldn’t want to “alienate” anybody by speaking facts!

After a while it gave me the same vibe as people shoehorning “let’s go brandon” into every situation.

Except that....worked?

One of the takeaways from the 2024 election is that if you have something that works, repetition is key for the idiot American electorate.

context of "look how triggered Republicans are by this".

If you want to shake the cult's faith in their cult leader, then yes, you want to trigger them. They're triggered because they sense the loss of innate, automatic strongman support.

When you're trying to get a political movement going, there's no such thing as an overused slogan. The fact that it was getting used so much was evidence it was working, and part of that was because it got at the right in the same way that they try to other minorities

To be fair it doesn't take much to cause an idealogical split between leftists.

Interesting response as well to that quote. How you feeling about the Republicans right now. Love or hate?

Considering democrats held primaries in 2016, 2020 and 2024 and they lined up with what polls where saying what would it take for you to believe that the primaries are honest?

But if he walks back that is he going to lose the Israel vote and will they finance a primary challenger?

She is a cop. She dropped out in 15th place in the 2020 primary before she was embarrassed in her home state of California. They should have never ran her and that's why they didn't do a primary.

Or she could have not played this game, that she willfully engaged in. Harris is the epitome of a career politician that rose through the ranks by doing what the party elites wanted her to do.

Once she was announced candidate, she had all the options to go for her own platform and grow a spine, if she has one. Also that is a quality that is crucial in a president, who wants to lead the supposedly most powerful country on earth.

And this shows, what the DNC wants. They dont want a strong leader. They want a puppet they can control. This is also why they were more than happy to have Biden go for another 4 years, not despite, but because of his declining mental state making him a great puppet.

Imagine the timeline where Joe got assassinated before the primaries. We wouldn't have this bullshit timeline.

Ah, Klobuchar. She is the prize senator from the DFL-- their only Sr Senator. She more or less runs it. The same Klobachar who threw out every single police misconduct case given to her when she was a county prosecutor, including the murder of George Floyd by officer Derek Chauvin. She just let him walk because he was a cop.

I think he hunts himself. Didn’t he say that during the campaign with Harris?

That's what they said about black men until one ran as a progressive and won twice by sizable margins. Perhaps it's not the race / gender that's the biggest hindrance but the policies.

Clinton was old guard. Harris was more or less trying to be a continuance of the same damn thing. I’d like AOC to at least be on the primary ballot.

Then primary her.

Harris and Clinton are both hardcore establishment neolibs. Clinton had Epstein murdered in his cell to cover the rampant sex trafficking crimes of the elites, and Harris campaigned with the Cheneys and thought it was smart politics. It’s not their gender that turned people off, voters just didn’t want to show up for another corporate robot. AOC could be remarkably different here.

I don't think it will happen because

A) she's a woman and they've tried that twice already

And more importantly B) she has said many times she doesn't agree with a lot of the democratic party's policies. She has beliefs that would undoubtedly vibe with a ton of voters but there's been a very obvious pattern of both parties only primary-ing "fly right" candidates.

I think Bernie scared the crap out of them and they don't want a repeat of that. Heaven forbid we get a candidate actually for the people!

Called this. "Harris lost because she's a woman of color" was always a preemptive excuse for shutting out AOC.

The party is holding back women in order to hamstring one person, and it's gross.

It's not about the gender at all. Dems don't seem to care about that. They care about having a reason to get off the couch. The only time Republicans win is when Dems can't be bothered to get their asses moving.

What matters is having someone exciting enough to get the Dems to show up to the booth. Neither Hillary nor Kamala brought fresh energy or anything exciting except a continuation of the status quo establishment.

Please, no Tim Waltz either. I love the guy but my god, we need something fresh besides another sweet grandpa on the ballot.

Please, democrats. No. We have to do better. Biden barely slid by in 2020. Ffs. No more sweet grandpa's scuffling around the debate stage.

The reason a lot of people think that way, is that any truly progressive candidate isn't backed by the DNC.

Also, very recently, AOC was denied a seat at the table for a dying, cancer ridden old white guy. Granted, it wasn't a spot in an election, but her own party looked the other way for a leadership role.

you're right, we didin't want hillary, the cabal wanted her, we wanted bernie, the cabal wanted harris, we wanted dean, the cabal said his whoop was too much...don't be this naive dan

It’s not a cabal, just plain old corruption. Harris was anointed when instead we could have had a contested primary just before the DNC to excite voters. Hillary colluded with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to steal the nomination from Bernie.

Who fucking cares? The moderates who were supposed to swoop in and save Kamala pointedly didn’t. Catering towards a fictional segment of the electorate is (demonstrably) a recipe for failure.

They called Kamala a communist too. It doesn't fucking matter, they'll say it about anyone, you can't be afraid of it.

Moderates can take their own fucking advice for once and vote blue no matter who.

Left                    Sanders                   Republican reich (rnc)

+-----------------------+---------+--------------+

                                  Republican lite (dnc)

the moderates are the ones who lost

More like a Russian/Chinese election.

There's going to be an election but it won't mean anything because it will be manipulated from the get-go.

That's what the primaries are for. Selecting a candidate for your party to proceed with. The general election should set aside that division with the candidate having been chosen for the party already.

I think it would actually be very easy to unite their bases. At a certain point we're going to have to acknowledge that progressive populism is appealing to every demographic apart from evangelicals, xenophobes, and 3%ers. Midwesterners who like Walz may be more religious and worse LGBTQ+ allies, but fundamentally people want someone who is going to even the playing field for workers and that's something that both groups would appreciate. A large amount of any campaign is going to have to be education about the benefits of unions, public projects, and being a member of your community rather than a shut-in if they want to generate positive buzz. Negative buzz is easy, just call the fascists weak and gross.

Bernie should not run again. He's great but we need some young blood.

Burr would be a good choice. I hate to lean hard into identity politics here, but a blue collar aesthetic cishet white guy seems to have a better chance of winning so long as he's progressive.

Dems have been thinking of it backwards. The center wants vibes, the left wants policies.

I hate this persistent belief that much of America is still too racist and sexist to accept a black or woman president. I hate it, even if it may be true.

Are we playing the accuse people of having political views they don't have game? Okay okay! My turn!

You're a posadist. You want to encourage global nuclear war so society will collapse and communist aliens will save us. And I think your ideology is silly and look down on you for following it!

Why are you bringing up her race when it isn't a relevant factor here?

He was VP. His espoused policy was effectively supporting Harris'. If you look at his record in MN and actually listen to his statements, his native policy positions become pretty clear. I don't know when your day was, but people have been as politically illiterate as you since the fucking oongaboonga times.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/09/election-tim-walz-electoral-college

I think all of us know, the electoral college needs to go. We need a national popular vote.

And why are planes falling out the sky after they got rid of DEI?

Okay.

The DNC consultancy class are almost certainly to blame for every failure they've had since 2016. Or sooner, I'm just stopping there out of convenience.

I might call that steering. I don't think Harris really believes in anything.

I hope you're right, at least to a point. Carter was following up the absolute disaster that was the Nixon administration by removing significant amounts of power from the executive, codifying norms that Nixon had flouted, and showing a conciliatory, less-combative presence on the world stage within a fairly flammable geopolitical context. All of that is exactly, to the letter, what we need from the 48th president.

Now, sure, Carter lost to Reagan. But I get the feeling that Walz wouldn't suffer such a fool.

She's pro-capitalism which makes her right wing. But she's not even a leftist in colloquial US terms, she's very pro police and anti medicare for all.

She’s rainbow republican

They still will, lets be honest. Then its brown and darker brown. Pick your poison <3

For wast majority of Americans capitalist Harris is actually rapid communist comrade Harris.

You don't seem like you really have a grasp on US politics.

USians are firmly on the rigth

They are? On the issues? Or are we going by how people label themselves?

Yeah they should obviously run Opprah

The ability to do behind the scenes work is super important. It's half the requirement. But the other half is being able to do in the moment interactions. Look at Trump/VD with Zelenski. Being charismatic and able to handle in-person negotiations with foreign leaders is hugely important.

Agreed. Push ahead in the good times. I just hope they run someone who will actually try to make things better and not placate the MAGA crowd and corps.