If Europe and the rest of the worlds response is to make weapons of war someone will eventually ensure they are used.

If Europeans don't make weapons of war, someone will eventually conquer them.

And y'know, we have yet to see open, full-scale war between atomic powers. Nuclear deterrence seems to work (for now).

I’m not opposed to Europe responding but America proves if there is stock on the shelf it will find a home.

War, it’s a nasty business.
- USA isn't Europe.
  
  Being conquered is nasty business, too. Ask the inhabitants of Bucha if you find any.
- America’s weapons would probably have expired on the shelf if they weren’t used in Ukraine.
- Surely, this is a this-is-why-we-can't-have-nice-things situation. Fuck Putin

If Russia stopped the invasion there would be no need for using the weapons of war. Right now Russia is the one ensuring weapons of war are needed and used.

Well... has that happened with all the other weapons of war?

I mean I get the sentinment, and in localized situations this makes sense to a degree. OTOH you have all the nuclear missiles that were taken apart again or just turned to rust. Or the Zumwaldt class, which is just how you glue money bills together in the shape of a ship. Or the insane mountain of stuff that was never used and mothballed.

Roi on nuclear weapon use is not great.

That's kind of true for all non-perishable goods. So what's your point?

“Using a bottle of milk” is a bit different than “using a missile.” My point is clear. You make weapons of war with the intent of them being used for war.
- Yes, I know it's different that's what I specified non-perishable. Milk is perishable.
  
  You make weapons of war with the intent of them being used for war.
  
  All tools are made with the intent for being used for their purpose ...
  
  Your point is not clear.
- Do you have car home or renter's insurance? If so, when are you planning on setting fire to your home?

Sadly it jusy means that countries who fuck around or get too drunk on their power will have to be brought in line swiftly and harshly and in a way that permanently incapacitates them to continue screwing around.

Polite global society is an armed global society and I'm actually not being ironic here. Bullies only understand force often through specificaly tailored deterrence mechanisms, look at "sovergn" citizens. Gotta make it not worth the time to try, if there's a chance they succeed they will take it because it often has no downside to try

Just here to remind everyone that this includes nukes.

Donald Trump backed us out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, making it much more likely for Iran to develop nukes. And now that Trump will most likely abandon Ukraine, Europe will be looking to increase their nuclear arsenal as a deterrent against Russia.

So there's about to be a whole lot more nukes in a much more volatile world.

All thanks to an anti-democratic felon rapist who America can't seem to put in the rear-view mirror. Great country!!!

What do you care? If what you say is true, we're already doomed to nuclear war.

I dunno. I'm just a guy. I dont want any wars.
- A relatively small minority of people through history have wanted wars. But if we look at the past 4000 years, we nonetheless find many, many wars, the vast majority of which people have never even heard the name of. You cannot escape this by simply disarming yourself.

Does Lemmy have an im14andthisisdeep forum yet? Because I'm seeing more and more that belongs there lately.

Weapons of war are already being used. And not only against soldiers but also civilians. They are used against the people of europe by russia. We shall not let us be slaughtered.

If we let those, that use weapons of war and terror to conquer the world by force, win then it will be those that exist and rule in the future, just like in natural selection we wont have less tyrants with weapons of war, terror and supressiom but more, consequentelly they will be used more.

Additionally, if you want to talk about nuclear weapons then those already exist and again russia who seems to have no problem using any weapon of war, unless they face consequences, has them too. In fact europe should do everything to keep a lunaric like putin as far away from the figurative line, whose overstepping does mean nuclear war, because if we let him step arbitrarily close to that line than it is indeed only a matter of time until that line is overstepped.

I don't know for the "all used" part, but yeah, responsibility of wars to come will partly lay on weapons makers, both enterprises and countries. They can say "I admit that I increase risk of wars and war casualties, but I think it's the best bet for country/nation"., it's not necessarily exclusive, but weapons are made to be used (especially dissuasion weapons, they only work if it's well known they are ready to use).

The people who think you're just referring to Russia make me laugh. Talk about one track minds