I unironically support this
while I like this, I don't think I would be able to pronounce it, lol
Looks like "not exactly," but it's cool nonetheless:
https://davidbowles.medium.com/pre-invasion-nahuas-and-the-gulf-of-mexico-22f30c515724
Pfft. Lousy historians and their stupid . . research.
I'm just happy that this semi-true fact led me to learn a whole lot about the nahuatl and their history!
Never heard of this goddess before but im glad i did. She's got some really awesome depictions!
Yep... She's got some great 'depictions' 👉😏👉
Always wanted a woman with a snake moustache!
She of the Jade Skirt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicue
Reminds me of Kali
Like Kali's grandmother even. She handled the death and life since before there were even animals let alone people.
I really wish we could actually "rename" places as their original indigenous names across all America(
s). For example my country had an internal turmoil just to keep the original name of its capital city because we love our native people, and yet we keep the incredibly stupid name of "Land of Colon" (imho most probably the most stupid name of any country, ever) because fuck our native people.I like that we call it Denali nowadays instead of Mount McKinley. I'm all for this.
Now if I could just get South Dakota to issue me a new license plate without those faces carved into the mountain...
Like, just the most recent indigenous names, or from one of them before that? It seems arbitrary to fixate on just one civilization just to avoid fixating on exactly one other.
I mean, not that there have been tons of successive civilizations around here, so... And yet if that was the case, you'll need to take in account that oral lore may have had a hand in the names of places, so it's mostly improbable that a place has had completely different names with each civilization.
(Edit: people downvoting/replying to this thinking I was talking just about the USA is hilarious - reddit syndrome much?)
I’m practicing the pronunciation right now.
No problem, I'm Welsh
Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I'm on board with that.
t͡ʃaːɬt͡ʃiwˈt͡ɬikʷeː
Damn, those are some crazy phonetics
this is somehow harder to pronounce
My gal spelt out “Chalchiuhtlicueyecati” but abbreviated “associated with.”
@Sal@mander.xyz - Do you know? I couldn't find many sources but I only speak English.
EDIT: As indepndnt mentioned in a comment below, the OP was posted on February 14, which pre-dates the wikipedia edits. So, my conclusions below about the timeline are not valid.
Hah, sure, let's investigate 🕵️♂️
The term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user 'Mxn'.
The description of the edit is the following:
Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic
If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the 'Gulf of Mexico' in the spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl
This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the 'Gulf of Mexico' in September 16, 2018. I don't have access to the citation so I don't know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.
If you check the history you will find that the same 'Mxn' fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.
So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico, and finding this connection between the term an the gulf by searching on Wikipedia. This information did not come from recent news about the term being used by natives.
I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' more frequently or at all. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.
I find it highly unlikely that:
- User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago
AND
- This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media
More likely....
- Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
- Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme
And this concludes my little investigation 🧐
Haha, fantastic. Thank you for your work. ALAS! We have uncovered a deeper mystery! 🔍🔎🔎🔍🔎 🤔
Is this the book? https://annas-archive.org/md5/fb8569c405991107b987fda775f49ba2
Damn, look at you being awesome!
I'm all for finding a middle ground, which is why I will call it the Gulf of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Or Gulf of C.U.M. for short.
Well played sir, well played.
If human bodies are mostly water, does that mean Chalchiuhtlicue has dominion over us, too? 🤔
Given how we found that out, I would think the god that would have domain over us would be a Japanese god
What are you doing, step-god sama?
If I could heard that pronounced I would totally start call it that too
Anyone else seeing the part about licking cats?
google maps is showing Chaacosiano for me
Anybody got a pronunciation key?
I think nobody would complain if you pronounced it "Cha Cha cat"
Not for the same reasons, but "also no, sorry. Still going with Gulf of Mexico."
I can meet you halfway and pronounce Mexico correctly, but that is beyond my abilities and I'm not ashamed to admit it lol.
I don't know if the name is too long or too short ...
You are doing it the wong way. The wight way to do it is to acknowledge the victory of the colonizers. Take Denali for example.
I'm not up to speed on this I guess. I thought bringing back the name Denali was a good thing. Is there some more to the story that I'm missing?
