Americans voted for Trump, but don't support his agenda

Remember when we told everyone what he was going to do and millions of voters told us we were fearmongering, lying, exaggerating, or that he "didn't mean it"?

I used to love being right. Now I fucking hate it.

You can do both. I regularly slap down mofos who say "I didn't vote to lose (government subsidies they need to survive)"

Oh yes you did! brings up the section of project 2025 that brutally guts said subsidies
- Genuine and serious question: Where does that get you?
  
  As good as it may feel to call these people out for their ignorance and stupidity (and yes, they were very ignorant and very stupid), what is it actually doing to help stop Trump's agenda right now?
  
  Telling them off might feel good, and right, and incredibly justified, but it's not going to win people over.
  
  What America needs right now is a mass movement against Trump's agenda, and a big part of building that movement is going to have to be reaching out to those people who are disgusted with the reality of Trump's agenda and bringing them into the fold, even if they helped put it in motion in the first place.
And it’s been like that since 2016. These people never learn.
- Since 1968
People were mad at the status quo. When times are shit, change can seem attractive.

Even if in reality the change presented by Trump only makes shit worse.
- So happy they’re getting what they voted for!
I've been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point and damn do I hate being right all the time
- I’ve been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point
  
  He must be exhausted. Give the poor man a break.
- Does he know about this? Is he in the room with you right now?
I have fairly recently learned that this is the curse of Cassandra. I also hate it.
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
- Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
  
  Literally no. I remember a good ~8 months of "Run ANYONE except Biden, even Kamala, and I'll totally fall in line and vote against fascism pinky-promise" that went silent once Biden was actually replaced, though.

It's obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn't act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.

People see: "economy is bad" so people vote out whoever is in power and vote in whoever screams the loudest that they have a magical fix. I would be shocked if the average trump, AFD etc. voter spends more then 15 minutes researching their vote (outside the endless stream of political content on yt and tiktok).

True, only with Trump we already had a round of him trying to run us into the ground while trying to sell off everything not bolted down, while also golfing like he was on the PGA tour (quantity NOT quality), and up-charging his secret service detail and foreign "reps" that stayed at all his properties and funneling all that illegal money back into his coffers while funding everything he did on tax payer dollars.

But yeah, he was clearly the choice to "stick it to the man".
It’s obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn’t act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.

Is it really, though? Which other first-world country would you say is even remotely as far down the rabbit hole of idiocy as the USA?
- Argentina, Brazil, Germany to an extent, France is flirting with it, Italy, the Netherlands (my country) is fucking around and finding out, Hungary has been at it since before it was cool, Indonesia elected a literal was criminal. And that’s all the cases I know about.
- Did you forget about the previous Polish fascist piss government? Or Hungary, Italy, The Netherlands, and there’s probably more that I’m forgetting.
Oh please, for instance AfD got 20% of the vote, and have no real power, because Germany has an actually functioning democracy.
But yes we hear a lot of warnings against AfD, because they are like MAGA, difference is they can't disrupt everything with lies like in USA. Because in EU you have responsibility when using your freedom of speech. You can't parrot some idiot making history falsification, ands claim you are just "reporting" it. Unfortunately the old East Germany is unhappy with the state of things, and want to go back to before the country was split. Which means they want Nazi Germany back.

this is happening all over the globe.

This is textbook false equivalence.
- Exactly. Americans are very quick to deflect and turn to whataboutism when held responsible for their actions.

They support his agenda. Just not when it happens to them, they just want others to suffer.

"He's not hurting the right people"

-some piece of shit from his first term.

So, they are just dumb right? He said exactly what he was going to do.

What lies. Trump was openly a piece of human shit and voters got what they voted for. The people that voted for him do get to take responsibility for the complete shit show we will experience going forward.

Fundamentally, if you voted for Trump you do support his agenda. That's how voting works.

You just don't want to own it.

They think they've "won" as if we didn't all lose

Well of course, because the only trait they were really interested in was that he wasn't the other guy.

Politics has become tribalist nonsense.

People didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Biden.

This chart might be a little bit out of date by this point, but the basic pattern it's pointing out is still pretty obvious

That's an extremely simplistic model, when in reality the way to fascism, is that the democracy fails to protect itself against it.
This happens easiest in new or flawed democracies, and USA is very much a flawed democracy. Where all the checks and balances don't work, when the executive branch is filled with corrupt traitors that don't give a shit about decency or democracy.

In a democracy the parlament can overthrow the government, and end its control with the equivalent of the executive branch.
AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.

Americans probably thought they were safe, because they have about 200 years of tradition for democracy, so they thought it was so ingrained that it couldn't fail, because the country is built on it, and the institutions would protect it.
- in reality the way to fascism, is that the democracy fails to protect itself against it.
  
  Yeah, uninspiring centrists don't like to do the whole protecting democracy thing because it might be controversial, so not really seeing your disagreement with this (admittedly simple and meme-ified) model
  
  USA is very much a flawed democracy. Where all the checks and balances don't work, when the executive branch is filled with corrupt traitors that don't give a shit about decency or democracy.
  
  Couldn't agree more
  
  AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.
  
  It's called impeachment under our system, but I think that's a lot higher vote threshold than a general no confidence vote like what I think you're suggesting would be
  
  And yeah, our legislature being filled with the same kind of corrupt traitors that don't give a shit about decency or democracy as our executive makes this essentially impossible
  
  Americans probably thought they were safe, because they have about 200 years of tradition for democracy, so they thought it was so ingrained that it couldn't fail, because the country is built on it, and the institutions would protect it.
  
  I would also blame the uninspiring centrists who didn't want to upset their potential voters by telling them the truth about the dire situation we were/are in. Everytime they brag about some bipartisan legislation like bipartisanship with fascists is a good thing the picture gets muddier for the average voter.
- AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.
  
  Yes it can- this is literally what the impeachment process is. The problem is what happens when you have a political party that is every bit as guilty and refuses to charge or convict an obviously criminal president.
Except biden wasn't on the ballot, harris was.
- How many times and how many ways did she need to say she would be exactly like Biden?
  
  Like, there's some irony in you being unaware of what voting for Harris was voting for, in a thread about trump voters being unaware of what their vote meant...

Did we though? There was a whole lot of legally cheating (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc.) and maybe some not so legal cheating as well by his election and judge minions.

It should not have even been close. That is the problem.
It doesn't really matter imo, fascism is not something that necessarily gets voted in or out of power. Its a symptom of and reaction to systemic failures that attempts to preserve capitalism by whatever means necessary. It isn't something brought about by individuals or imposed upon the public.
- Name one other person that could do the things trump is doing. No one is that ballsy, has that much fan base, or is in bed with Putin the way he is.
- It doesn’t really matter imo, fascism is not something that necessarily gets voted in or out of power. Its a symptom of and reaction to systemic failures that attempts to preserve capitalism by whatever means necessary.
  
  This old canard. God forbid problems have any other causes. Loop it all back to capitalism, like evangelicals seeing Satan everywhere.

They wanted to own the libs.

The dog caught the car

Traitors voted for Trump.

They didn't vote for Trump, they vote for "whatever the liberals hate".

They don't care if they suffer too. They only want to watch the "others" hurt.

One of my favorite quotes is "A Republican would eat shit if they thought a liberal would have to smell their breath."

You know what? At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.

I didn’t wanna get all BlueAnon at first but some of the shit these assholes have said are almost hinting that they rigged some swing states and just have to fucking brag about it.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Because the average American is a moron.

Wrong, the average American is purposefully undereducated and sheltered from the world.
- While education and public services that promote education are being funded less, the average American has access to the internet via a computer or smartphone.
  
  Yes, you still need to be educated on knowing how to do proper research, but a simple search of, "how do I research" gives some good results.
  
  At this point, people just want to think they're right and never check other viewpoints or even look at themselves and why they believe their own beliefs. In my opinion it's a culturally inherent thing about "rugged individualism" instead of anything about a failing education system.
  
  Finally, being empathetic towards other races and cultures takes 0 education. And if you want to know if you're on the right or wrong side of something, it takes barely any effort to search and learn about it.
Because for 30 years Republicans have dismantled the American education system...

And no one has really tried to fix it.

Humans are animals, we don't just innately become well adjusted humans, we need to be socialized. The focus on STEM and standardized testing meant all that shit got thrown out the window.

Reminder that everyone who didn't vote still bears responsibility: Not making a decision is still a decision.

Edit: Anyone who disagrees can eat all of my shit and hair. <3

🎶 If you choose not to decide

You still have made a choice 🎶
No, no, you see, democracy means being blameless and without responsibility 😊

I Am Very Left
- Bullshit, you are PugJesus.
  
  I can tell by the username.
Ignorance is not always a choice, I'm afraid. Not that they're not faultless, but people in power have been grooming American stupidity for generations.

Not sure what the solution is, but maybe some nonvoters need intervention. People who actively rally for Trump are likely too far gone, though.

Dems couldn't have run a worse campaign if they tried.

and people don't want to acknowledge that maybe they did, because "both sides" is a fucking meme to stop you from looking behind the curtain.

Americas owners got exactly what they paid for and the people think it was their idea.

Get rid of FPTP to open the door to third parties in the US.

There are zero excuses that anyone can use to claim that they didn't know what Trump was going to do or that it would be this bad. We lived through the first term where we saw the shit he was doing. We saw every tweet, post, and video where he said exactly what he wanted to do. Remember when he literally said he wanted to be a dictator? Yea, it was 100% out there the whole time. If that wasn't enough, every word out of his mouth has been hate directed at some demographic. Deciding that that was acceptable was already too much. I will never forgive anyone that voted for that Nazi.

Breaking News: Americans are idiots

Americans are racist, sexist, pieces of humans shit in the majority. They have proven it by voting for Puttin's rapist Orange Turd.

Because people don’t vote for policy, just culture war bullshit

That's because fascists make you look at a problem and then suggest themselves as the solution. Whatever problem ruffles the most feathers will be part of their campaign. In Trumps case it's immigrants, deep state, and wokeism. The rest of his agenda gets ignored. Tax cuts for the rich, power to the president, imperialism, etc. It's all meaningless as long as you are mad at something.

Never let them forget. They are not allowed to be upset or plead for sympathy!

100% American Voters get to suck it up for the nightmare ahead.

If only there was someone who was running for President who was on a major party ticket and had an agenda that - for the most part - was supported by the majority of Americans.

I voted for her, FWIW. Most people here had to hold their noses to stoop to doing that, though.

They wanted him in the white house, but they also wanted the democrats to stop him from implementing the crazy stuff he proposed. They wanted a reason to complain about democrats blocking stuff - then democrats came up a couple of votes short in both house and senate.

They just couldn't vote for a black woman.

He doesn't fucking care. The whole campaign was about doing and saying whatever was needed to get elected so that he could avoid lawsuits, make a profit, and dismantle government. Rich and powerful supported him because they saw ways for themselves to get more rich and more powerful. The richest man on the planet went all in, and now is personally helping to eliminate government agencies that were investigating his own businesses. They don't care that the public gets unhappy, they've served their purpose.

This isn't a surprise, it's their plan going as intended.

It's a surprise to the utter dipshits in the public, who thought either that he would MAKE AMERICA GREAT, or that things couldn't possibly get worse in these wretched United States of America, so it didn't matter if a fascist was elected.
- No argument, it's a surprise to the morons who were manipulated into voting for the guy, but most everyone else saw what was happening.

They should have thought more about his agenda beyond nodding along to his lies before voting for him. Although most people under-anticipated the insanity that has come to transpire, arguably making Trump's first term look tame in comparison, any level-headed person should still have been able to recognize the dangers inherent to the right's extremist rhetoric before the election and voted against it.

Just goes to show how easily swayed so many social media addicted Americans are, and although many of them might not admit it, tolerant of xenophobia and transphobia to the point of seeking perceived short-term gains at the expense of the civil rights and wellbeing of millions of their fellow Americans.

Ooops.

In other words, he's a Republican

#WOMP WOMP

Bullshit, they do.

At this point, he's not only irreprarably gutting and destroying everything for consumers, everything for the environment, etc, he is also beheading the military to ensure he can just stay in power after these four years end.

Nobody does anything, everyone let it happen. Yeah yeah, sometimes someone resigns in protest, making it even easier for trump to do all this, and sometimes someone even speaks up and says the obvious: "I think this is bad!" Oooooh, color me impressed.

Trump is speed running the USA to a dictatorship and with now the military gutted, I'd say its too late to stop him.

Where from there? Once he has full control over the armed forces what are his limits? He can simply subjugate any country he wants. Don't want to be my slaves? Let me obliterate your capital and ask again. I truly see this as an option.

Think I'm crazy? Have you been paying attention? You have christofascists in charge who literally want to see the world end so that "Christ will return" or some delusional shit.trumo is willing to do whatever, no holds barred, no limits so far. He's threatened Panama, Denmark and Canada and I guarantee you he'll be back to get those countries whether they want to or not.

I'm Canadian, this situation scares the shit out of me.

I think that right now, the USA is a bigger threat to the world than China and Russia have ever been. Its military is multiple times the size of everyone else combined, they have no sense of consequences for actions so nuking a nation is fine, what is the worst they can happen? Hell, I fully expect him to drop some on Mexico City just to send a message and for fun because the racists will feel there are too many Mexicans. Again, think I'm crazy? Do you really believe that Cheeto and his theocrazy guys would not be capable of doing this?

They very very much are.

I'm at the point where I think Canada, Panama are fucked within the year. Make no mistake though, the rest of the world will follow