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Eh. ICE cars < Electric cars < Good public transit and bike infra / walkable cities. I don't see them as mutually exclusive, but swapping ICE cars for EVs alone won't get us where we need to be.
This is the take.
True, but good public transit is only really feasible at suburban population densities or higher.
High speed rail would work for linking rural communities together, but half of the people in those areas don't live within walking/biking distance of town (especially when needing to transport goods) so the adoption of EVs should still be encouraged.
Okay, so, here's the thing: car-centric design is the reason our cities suck. You're 100% right that suburban sprawl in the enemy of good public transit, and that's just one part of why it's going to be critical to push for good urbanism in our city designs. Bad urban design that enforces car dependency is the enemy of so many of our goals, including climate change. Here's just a short list of the stuff it fucks up:
You completely misunderstood my point by only talking about cities and suburban sprawl, which isn't what I was talking about at all. Rural areas exist. Rural areas will continue to exist because farming requires a lot of land. People still live in those areas and will continue to do so. It would genuinely be a waste of resources to service those areas with public transit. Single family EVs are a better alternative for those areas because the logistical challenges of public transit get more and more difficult the further you get from a city.
I get that you hate cars enough to write a book in response to a couple sentences, but you need to realize that not everyone lives in the city or even in suburban sprawl. Yes cities need to be re
Okay, look, we're a looooong way from rural areas getting good public transit. We don't even have good transit in and between large cities (not enormous metros like SF or LA, I'm talking about places like Fresno, with half a million people). It can be done, especially because many of the little tiny towns across the US sprang up as the result of (now defunct) rail stations. I think it's a worthy goal to give all folks in small towns access to opportunities (jobs, commerce, entertainment) in the city, not just the ones who can drive. That said, the way the US does things, we're practically 20 years out from that if we started today.
All that to say that public transit doesn't really enter the conversation for me about rural areas except as something we ought to do, like we ought to build a lunar base or a Lagrange point station.
All that to say that public transit doesn't really enter the conversation for me about rural areas except as something we ought to do,
That's basically what I said in my first sentence of my first reply
Gah, all this because I misread that first line. Sorry
It happens to all of us
A lot of people in rural parts of Europe get around by bus and train.
They're only not viable if you genuinely live in the middle of nowhere.
That requires subsidies though. And it has to be at least 5 days a week.
Near my hometown in Estonia there was a bus line that if you depended on it to get to town, you had to wait till next week to get back. Local gvt didn't pay for enough trips per week. I believe it got fixed after it got some media attention.
Rural parts of Europe are much smaller than rural parts of America. The challenges are different and the comparison doesn't quite fit.
Replace ICE with EV.
Replace car subsidies with multimodal infrastructure funding.
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