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its not the cars that are bad, its the way you are forced to do stupid earth destroying work for billionares to have higher numbers on their account. if you limit driving to what you would need without the rich ripping you off, how much would you need to drive then? would you have the time to use slower public transport?
"People drive cars because of billionares." - (C) Lemmy 2025
most people drive daily to work and back, and way too many who could do homeoffice have to do this only because of the corporation just "wanting" it, who's the owner of the corporation? other corporations, funds, banks, following the money, guess what you'll find? more malicious money.
How do you propose to solve these issues? Find a new job for everyone that can be done at a computer? Bring down multinational corporations?
Or make the situation slightly better by removing those daily emissions?
No, yes, and yes
there hasn't been a single solution for all problems since humans sort of know that solutions can exist. a bit of every step towards a better situation, and a bit more and more until it fits. i cannot say when it will fit, but destroying the future of whole generations is more like the definition of unfit than an achievement. it might be seen as glory by some confused and rich, but its filthyness in reality.
reduce demand-producers, reduce overall irrelevant work, that is i.e. all work done solely for increasing numbers on bank accounts that don't even change anything for that account owner any longer. we do ship things around the world that really should get processed locally. there are many things that are wrong only for keeping the pyramid schemes of the rich active.
Yeah, so in the context of cars, a small step in the right direction is the introduction of electric cars to replace ICE cars. It's a feasible and available step. I'm not hearing any other currently feasible ideas, and saying "just use public transport/bikes" is not a solution for every human who currently has a car.
And what about all the power needed to manage those systems and networks? Should we just go back to hunting and gathering?
The last generation of billionaires. The ones that ripped up trolley tracks.
'Member those trolly tracks that served all the rural communities in the world until they were ripped up? Hey I 'member!
This is literally right-wing propaganda. The anti-car movement is about cities where most of the population lives. No one is saying people shouldn’t drive around rural areas, until a better system becomes practical.
You didn't state that in your response though, right? Your response was general.
And how is it right wing propaganda if I've pointed out a reality? Public transport is not available or viable for all rural communities. Propaganda?
It’s right wing propaganda to distort the conversation to be about rural people when it never was about that.
It would be like arguing against vaccines because they don’t work against heart attacks. Like… OK? No one claimed they do.
I also want to say our usernames are very apt for this debate
Would be better if it was drive against the lizard. I’m pro-riding!
Joke's on you I only own a bike 🚲
Explain how the meme excludes rural areas, because it seems pretty general and not city-specific to me.
Are you trying to argue that rural populations are not included in the full set of populations who use cars? Of course you're not, because that would be silly.
"Right wing propaganda" - what a ridiculous claim to make
You’re the one that brought up rural areas, both in the comment I replied to and implicitly in the meme by saying people are against driving everywhere on earth. It’s a straw man and no one is saying that.
Again, the argument you are critiquing, which you don’t seem to understand at all, is that cars are inefficient, dangerous, and polluting, and that better alternatives exist in cities. Rural transportation is not relevant to this conversation so by bringing it in, you are engaging in propaganda.
I think we're coming at this from different angles - I'm criticizing the response a lot of people have when electric vehicles are brought up, which is "they're bad don't buy them" and usually backed up with a belief that public transport is the solution. The obvious rebuttal in my opinion is that that doesn't work for every area where cars/vehicles are needed, and it's still worthwhile investing in and celebrating the transition of these existing systems. I 100% agree that car density in urban populations is a huge problem and I hate how much cars dominate our lives.
Daddy musk says I haven't hit my mileage quota for the day