Yes, Ukraine Started the War
Yes, Ukraine Started the War
Donald Trump has been flayed alive by Western media and leaders for saying Ukraine started the war. Here are facts, not myths, says Joe Lauria. By Joe Lauria Special to Consortium News The outcry spread quickly across the Western world: Donald Trump dared say Ukraine started the war.
The author argues that because there were civil protests in 2012 (1), after wich russia invaded the east of, and southern peninsula of Ukraine, Russia didn't start the war.
Because, as is well know, a country in political trouble can not be attacked.
Thank you for this.
Here's what you need to know- consortium news in 2016, the website was listed by PropOrNot as a "Russian propaganda outlet," a claim Consortium News strongly disputes, arguing it challenges mainstream narratives and exposes bias in media.
Article really is totally bias towards Russia and leaves out many well documented facts or any facts that would take away from the Russian narrative that Russian is the victim.
Interesting to read for the sole fact it gives you insight into what the Russian propaganda machine is pumping out.
Fact checking sites aren't reliable. Consortium News is run and was founded by world-class investigative journalists who won Pulitzer's. So I'll take them over a “fact checking” site. You must think people are stupid.
I'm not sure how anyone would read that article knowing anything about Ukraine and not immediately realize this article is biased and misleading. It is certainly bending the truth. I think only a stupid person would try and defend it.
P.S. I've personally been to Ukraine and also know people who are currently there. So I'll take my first person account over you or you're purposely misleading article.
the website was listed by PropOrNot as a “Russian propaganda outlet,”
Who the fuck are PropOrNot, and why the fuck should I care what they say? A quick search shows that they're an anonymous website with no verifiable methodology, to the point that even western sources actively dismiss them.
But .world social fascists would accept scrawling on the side of a padded cell as gospel truth if it confirms their biases.
consortium news
Another data point for you: https://www.biasly.com/sources/consortiumnews-bias-rating/
If New Zealand were to start bombing raids, install boots on the ground, and claim for themselves as their God given sovereign lands the conflicted area of Sudan would we also say that Sudan started it?
What's the Donbas Alley of Angels?
Sounds like the stuff usa does all the time
You obviously didn't read or understand the article. 🤦🏽♂️
This is probably the clearest explanation I've seen of the background of what people in here are saying when they are on the side of Russia in this. Thank you
Quite welcome — This is why I've left the Canadian left.
What are little green men again?
There is no simple blame to be laid on an entire country. It makes no sense to blame "ukraine" or "russia". But it's obvious that certain people are largely responsible. It's quite clear that Putin and his pals ordered an invasion for colonial reasons. Now they got alt-imperialists writing pages and pages trying to flip the script. Pathetic. It's not some geo-political mystery. It's quite obvious whom to blame.
fwiw: Fuck USAian politicians too. Empire is trash regardless of the nationalist branding.
It's quite clear to everyone who has been studying history that Russia is not doing colonialism, has stated explicitly that the invasion was because it could not distinguish NATO activity on its border from a real nuclear threat, and proceeded to behave exactly as if that was the case.
Just go look up NATO exercises in Ukraine. The first one ever was months before EuroMaidan. After that, NATO flew fucking B-52s in exercises right next to Russia. They even ran an exercise that was a simulation of invading Kaliningrad.
And just so we're clear. Military exercises are when you build a logistics chain, activate units, and engage in every activity that you would if you were actually invading - the only difference is that you pull back before crossing borders or violating airspace. That means Russia has to activate defenses just in case this exercise ends up being the real thing. That is to say, NATO was literally operating in Ukraine and doing dry runs for invading Russia.
And you think Russia was doing a colonialism?