Dude does not understand how german elections work lmao. Nobody won that election, the conservatives got 28% of the vote. There will be at least a 3 party coalition and things could become pretty complicated.
I'm not usually one to agree with trump, but doubling your representation in a single election is a win. An incredibly concerning win, in this case. It bodes poorly.
It's a win for the party, but a win for the party is different from winning the election.
In the last Australian federal election, the Greens quadrupled their number of seats. It was absolutely a huge win for the Greens. But going from 0.7% of seats to 2.6% cannot mean you "won" the election. (Also...wow...that shows just how gross single winner elections are. Even with preferential voting. When a party that consistently gets over 10% of the votes is able to win less than 3% of seats and call that a huge win. Proportional systems like Germany's MMP are amazing!)
Whether you want to say the CDU/CSU "won" the German election, IMO, depends less on how their vote changed relative to the last election, and more on whether you want to say the party that ends up selecting the Chancellor "won" an election, even if they need to go into a three party coalition. My personal take is that yes, it's not unreasonable to say they won.
The (almost extremist) "conservatives" gained like 3 percent points or something since the last election. Plus, they have been in the government for like 80% of the time since WW2. Trump is soooo anti establishment but these guys ARE the most establishment anyone in Germany could be. They are not the solution to people’s problems, they are the ones who caused many of the problems in Germany.
They didnt double. Olaf Scholz wasnt elected because he was liked. He and SPD last time got the most votes because media slammed against greens, and the CDU/CSU lies and corruption was layed open. Now people forgot who governed the most time and voted union again
This cannot be said enough to Anglosphericals, even the well-informed ones sometimes don't get it. Under proportional representation, you almost never "win" an election and that's the point.
It's a classic misunderstanding between two political different cultures. I remember once a German state election, I think it was Baden-Würtemberg, where the first-placed party had no friends so the parties #2 and #3 (the Greens were one) formed the government. The Anglo press just did not get it - a "the losers ganged up on the winners"! How could Germans possibly accept this travesty of democracy??! But the second and third parties agreed on more things, and between them they had far more votes! It was arguably more democratic than the outcome of a classic first-past-the-post election in Britain or the USA.
This silly obsession with winners and losers was why the Tories dominated 20th-century British politics even though Labour and the Liberals often had more support between them. It's arguably what sunk the UK LibDems' referendum on electoral reform under the Cameron government. And then a few years later Brexit got 51.9%, which for Brits was obviously a resounding victory so most of the the other 48.1% didn't even complain about literally losing their EU citizenship. The winner-loser culture goes deep for Anglos but it doesn't always serve them well.
Since FDP and BSW didnt make it into the parliament SPD, CDU should be able to form a coalition. Only Problem, the SPD Chancellor candidate announced they dont want to coalate with the CDU. We may see the same Situation as in Austria.
the SPD Chancellor candidate announced they dont want to coalate with the CDU.
I thought Scholz announced that he would step back since he wouldn't be able to be chancellor? (If I read the Dutch news right.) Which is something else from blocking a CDU coalition.
Who is the “GENTLEMAN NAMED DONALD J. TRUMP”? I know of no such person. I know who Donald J. Trump is, but he is most certainly not a “gentleman” by any definition I’m familiar with.
GOOD TO SEE HE HAS NOW PICKED UP OLD MAN CAPS LOCK SYNDROME
Not really new, he's always done it often
I recall times on the web that you got moderated for this. There is live footage of him: https://youtu.be/q8SWMAQYQf0
I just assumed he was yelling it over the sound of a helicopter as usual
The AfD is only second strongest party. Also, no matter what anyone says. The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
I'm fairly far left but the strong LINKE might actually fuck us over pretty hard. They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD in a time where increased national and European security might just be our most existential issue.
They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD
Does Germany have some rules that defence spending requires a 2/3rds supermajority or something? Linke and AfD cannot stop anything on their own if a simple majority is required. The Union and SPD have a slim majority between them, and add the Greens and you've got an extremely strong majority.
The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
Probably most of those voters voted SPD or die Grüne before but lost trust. Happened in Belgium too...
Yep. SPD lost way more to Union and AfD, though, and the Greens got out of this whole thing relatively unscathed, they have a quite stable basis.
Fun fact: Die Linke gained more voters from CDU and FDP than they lost to the AfD.
Its exactly like this. Most of their voters came from these two parties.
Because the right-wing CDU/CSU has won and the right-wing AfD is right behind it? These are the fruits of 16 years of Merkel with "We can do it". It started with her migration policy etc. and the attacks increased but only at times when they wanted to overturn laws or introduce new ones.
This moved the population to the right. (We can do it... Making Germany right-wing again < that's how it should have been understood!) So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters... Germany gave up its sovereignty yesterday.Democracy is broken!
The "we can do it" part wasn't the problem, the problem was not backing it up with enough funds for states and municipalities to actually do a proper job. Which is a can of worm of fiscal politics if there ever was one because the reason the states are broke is because the wealth tax got suspended back in 1997. Kohl era shit.
So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters...
Not directly. The biggest group of AfD Voters are former non voters. But in terms of voters who migrated to the AfD the biggest group can from the CDU.
Tell me you dont know shit about the german voting system without telling me you dont know shit about the german voting system.
Do not discredit our supreme leader. His knowledge of the German voting system is equally refined as all his other knowledge.
so rich and can't afford a keyboard with a working capslock key
My elderly relatives type like that when they want to make sure people know they're very serious people with important opinions about the price of milk and Barack Obama being a secret homosexual.
Looks like you are missing a few keys yourself, notably the shift an period key.
Notice how Trump considers America to be under him.
Not just in this text, but in all of his actions as well. He has no intention to be a responsible leader, he intends to rule, and to do so with impunity.
"L'État, c'est moi!"
Unfortunately, our projected future chancellor is very similar to Trump in certain aspects, especially rhetorics and spitting bullshit, then being utterly incompetent when asked specifics.
Who, Widrich Schmerz?
Fritz von Papen.
Trump you arent conservative Also you clearly dont understand how we do governments over here
He doesn't understand how they do government in America, and he's in charge of it.
Like every other narcissist, he makes good news from others all about him. He's so insecure, he can't be anywhere but in the spotlight.
You're so vain, you probably think this election's about you, you're so vain.
What are the typical beliefs of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) / Christian Social Union (CSU)?
Ironically, independence from the US:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-friedrich-merz-urges-independence-from-us/live-71700729
I'm not German and don't have any special insight into German politics, but until someone that knows better comes along I can at least offer that it's Angela Merkel's old party. Unless something has shifted drastically, it's the Germany we've known for most of the past twenty years
True, but Merz is far More right than Merkel was, especially, when speaking of women and immigrants.
Also Merkel got a lot more percent oft the public vote (that counts here - wie do not habe the winner takes it all). Merz got the second worst result of his Party in history and will need to make a coalition with maybe even 2 other parties.
You can find their agenda for this election on their website.
Social market capitalism is a core tenet. That means free enterprise and corporation friendly policies, while also taking care of the unemployed, health insurance, and so on. Traditional family values and German national identity are important. Anti drug, but pro choice. Strict on crime and public order. Belief in meritocracy, compromise, and pragmatism. Sceptical regarding immigration. Pro EU, pro NATO, pro USA.
Similar to a center right democrat in the US, except with more conservative ideas regarding immigration and multiculturalism.
They are as Christian as the Evangelical Right in the USA.
Jokes on him. What he sees as German conservatives is mostly in line with US Democrats. The German version of the Republicans are the AfD, the Nazi party.
I was under the impression the CDU had worse social stances than dems except on immigration where they shockingly actually act like Christians are supposed to (that part may have just been a merkel thing)
Merkel time is over. The current CDU leader is a man owned by the chemical industry. The "C" is ancient history. The whole political spectrum in the US is so far right, a Republican party would end up under the feds scrutiny here, just like the AfD is.
Actually, a German "Republican party" was declared illegal a few years ago, and you need shitloads of evidence to do something like in Germany.
Yea people think he means CDU but given he is literally a fascist demented grandpa it is more likely that he is either confusing CDU with AfD or thinks that AfD has won because of all the ruckus going on
why is there a trump tweet on my all, better block this community
It's actually a "Truth"
Used to be that Truth Social was the evil Twitter, but now it's just an evil Twitter.
Uhh... it's he president of Germany, now, too? /s, obvi
Yeah, "so many years", a whole 3.25 of them. Before that was Merkels forth cabinet, in the same party with the same coalition we're likely to see again now.
What's with the Caps-Lock
SO HE CAN GRAB YOU ATTENTION
GRAB YOU BY THE ATTENTION
He is a gentleman after all.
The rare "very stable genius", spotted writing all-caps in it's natural habitat.
So ending up with a parliament that is made up of probably a minimum of three parties, which will result in fairly boring, moderate policies most of the time, headed by someone who's made it crystal clear a Trump led USA is the opposite of what he wants and who has pledged full backing for Ukraine.....is a Trump win...?
I mean, no its not great AfD picked up so much of the polling but not even Trump can realistically claim this as a victory.
Parliament seats are assigned proportionally, not according to the party with the most votes in a district. https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/#results
Five parties are represented: conservative center right CDU, hard right AfD, social democrat center left SPD, center left Greens, radical left Linke.
Trump can realistically claim this as a victory
Trump will always claim victory regardless of facts.
