PAYDAY 3 will use Denuvo anti-piracy technology in its PC version

Don't forget KSP2! Worst €50 I've spent.

What was broken in Returnal on launch? Unless you mean the pc relaunch, I didn’t pay attention to that.

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What was broken about Returnal?

What's the risk when I can just return it if the game is shit after playing it for almost 2 hours?

It really depends. There are some fan-fucking-tastic games that I did preorder, like FFXVI, Metro Exodus, SF6, TLOU:2 (I didn't like the story, gameplay + graphics saved it for me), Zelda: TOTK, Elden Ring... the list goes on.

It's a DRM scheme to protect against piracy. Over the years I saw more and more shitty titles use Denuvo on release because God forbid someone steal their cash grab. A lot of titles that are of quality usually do not see the need for Denuvo.

Therefore, nowadays, for me Denuvo serves as an indicator of a potentially shitty release. They slap Denuvo on top of it so that they can pump & dump.

Maybe I'll buy the game when it's on sale, but for now I am too skeptical, especially since slapping additional DRM on an already DRM'd game (it's multiplayer only and always online, unlike previous parts that allowed offline play) does not make any sense to me.

Edit: Seems the below statement was factually incorrect. Oops!

It's a very obnoxious and heavy-handed approach to anti-piracy measures. It slows down games, kills framerates, gives users a whole host of other performance issues, and just makes the experience worse overall. It's a product that doesn't even seem to care to improve, because they make their money from publishers, not the people who buy and play the game. Many people hate it, and I believe it's absolutely justified.

Denuvo in particular causes performance issues. And drm in general just gives the paying customer an inferior product when the pirates will just just get the better version.

It’s DRM known for causing performance issues.

There have been instances where it worsens performance. My computer is mid tier-ish at this point (3070, i7 10700k) and I haven't noticed any poor performance from games running Denuvo (latest I tried Dead Island 2). It's likely worse performance loss on older systems, but those older systems probably can't run new AAA games well as it is.

I think most people don't like the fact that it takes a while to crack games running Denuvo, so they're not able to be pirated for that time.

I usually don't preorder games, PAYDAY is the exception, I have over 1k hours in the first game and over 3k hours in the second game.

If past Payday games are anything to go by, you can play offline with just bots.

You wouldn't want to, given the choice, and it's not the point of the game, but you can.

I think it may be more anti-cheat than anti-piracy, but Denuvo in particular can fuck itself

If you do your authentication with online servers properly it is virtually impossible to get the full experience by pirating anyway so the only thing you're doing by including DRM is taking performance and convenience from paying customers

The main point of co-op games is to play with friends. In order to do that, you (usually) need to connect to the games official servers, which you can't do on cracked games (for the most part) which makes DRM pretty pointless. It prevents you from enjoying maybe a lazily thrown together campaign and it's more of an insult than anything else.

Plus, it's also worth mentioning DRM hurts paying customers by causing reduced performance in-game and also inconveniencing them.

Worse performance for no reason

Good reason to not waste money on the game though at least

I really doubt pirates or even any average person are going to worry about the beliefs of the person cracking the game.

If one person can crack it and is willing to distribute it then everyone can get a cracked copy. Such is the nature of the internet.

the linux system that shall not be named (arch) since it has such a negative stigma i don't want to scream at everyone that i use it ^^

Nah... in the end, indie developers and people who don't want to blow 70+ on an unfinished poorly optimized pile of shit with Denuvo icing will win.

Honestly, good. It's made devs want to release on PC again.

It's now the price of GPUs that's really holding it back.

Since when does Denuvo block mods?

The whole point of Denuvo (and any DRM in games) is to prevent modifying the running code. Unless there's some kind of official modding system, there will be no way to inject DLLs or do anything else invasive to the running game.

When it doesn’t allow DLC unlockers (which Denuvo blocks)

One can surely run his own server for payday 3 to connect to. I'm not really knowledgable about game hacking but I guess a DRM will make this more difficult.

That’s what reviews are for. If the game runs poorly, don’t buy it. Whether the bad performance is caused by Denuvo is irrelevant to my purchasing decisions.

There have been good and bad implementations of Denuvo. It’s disingenuous to pretend all games go one way or the other when there are so many examples of both. Supposedly review outlets like Digital Foundry will soon get access to protected and non-protected builds of new games so that they can directly measure any performance impact.

Calling people shills is really shitty behavior. All you’re doing is inciting conflict, not contributing to any rational discussion.

we don’t know that denuvo ACTUALLY impacts sale numbers by convincing those mean old pirates to buy their game

But we do know it improves sales, that's why every game publisher that can afford it is using it. They have years of data to prove it. What do you have?