I feel called out
I feel called out
I feel called out
My wife uses Arch (actually). She calls it the internet, when she really means Facebook. She knows it isn't Apple but it gets a bit vague after that!
The last time I had to fire up the Mesh Central client to sort something out on her desktop from work was around three months ago. Every couple of weeks I ssh into it, update it and schedule a reboot for 03:00.
why arch and not something with more stable updates like debian?
I've spent over 25 years with Linux. With multiple distros and a lot of that with Gentoo and Arch. At work I specify Ubuntu or Debian, for simplicity and stability. I always used to use the minimal Ubuntu, because it was tiny with no frills. For quite a few years I managed a fleet of Gentoo systems across multiple customers - with Puppet. Those have quietly gone away. I've dallied with SuSE (all varieties), Mandrake, Mandriva, RedHat, Slackware, Yggdrassil and more.
Arch is surprisingly stable and being a rolling job there are no big jumps. When I replace one of our laptops, I simply clone the old one to it and crack on. I used to do the same with Gentoo - my Gentoo laptops went from an OpenRC job with dual Nokia N95 ppp connections around 2007 to through to around 2018 with systemd and decent wifi when I switched to Arch to allow the burns on my lap to heal. I still have a Gentoo VM running (amongst friends) on the esxi in my attic.
It was installed in 2006 according to some of the kernel config files. I left it for way too long and had to use git to make Portage advance forwards in time and fix around a decade of neglect. It would have been too easy to wipe and start again. It took about a fortnight to sort out. At one point I even fixed an issue following a forum post I made myself years ago.
Anyway, Arch is pretty stable.
Debian is sometimes frustratingly out of date for daily apps like the web browser. I'd rather recommend something with a bit more updates like Mint.
After many years of using multiple devices and even servers with Archlinux installed it never broke because of an update (spoiler: I use systemd-boot instead of grub). If a system is to be used by a less experienced user, just install linux-lts Kernel instead.
Unstable does not mean it crashes/breaks often, it just means it does not guarantee to not bump to the newest upstream version and that it does not do backports. This can be a problem when using unmaintaned software that does not like using a recent python/php.
This is also great because if you find a bug in a software you can report it to upstream directly. Debian maintainers only backport severe bugs, not every one of them. It can take over a year for new features to arrive - especially painful with applications like gimp, krita, blender, etc. You can use debian-unstable of course, which is close to upstream as well.
Arch has rolling releases and is super stable.
because Arch is more lightwheight than Debian, and also more stable than non-arch users think it is
That's torture and is outlawed by the geneva convention (btw)
If she only does basic web browsing, why not something more stable like Ubuntu or Debian?
with arch it's relatively easy given enough experience to build for someone absolutely minimal desktop environment which will run you a browser and that's it and it will be rock solid even with rolling release updates because there's nothing to break.
every time I've tried "out of the box" desktop experience of ubuntu and likes it's been atrocious with a lot of moving parts.
Define stable! Both are non rolling distros so that means that you have the upgrade jolt every few years. I have several VMs that started off life as Ubuntu LTS around 16 so from 2016 and are still running but now on 2022.04. Those are servers so relatively simple - web, PHP, Samba, DBs, etc. PHP is a pain to fix up. Ubuntu doesn't have the rather neat slotting feature that Gentoo has so you get to do quite a lot of detective work to put it back together again. Debian is similar - again I have several systems that I manage that have gone through at least three or four Toy Story names.
Arch is rolling so there is no break and continue point. There have been some packages that have broken or been broken but not the entire system and that suits me. The QA is surprisingly good from the devs. Arch really isn't the bugbear, nightmare super ricer thingie that it is sometimes painted out to be. I find it a very thoughtfully put together distro with an awful lot of moving parts that are well integrated and a great toolset. Choice is paramount and delivered in spades without the micro management that Gentoo requires.
It also helps that I have been doing this stuff for well over two decades so some challenges are no longer the challenge they once were.
Opened the post for this comment, wasn't disappointed!
Absolutely one of my favorite james acaster quotes! His whole Netflix special, "Repertoire" is just fantastic
Personally, if you can't tell me if you are running Windows or MacOS, I don't really want you downloading my software
Why? Are you feeling bad about all the adware you bundled in?
Incompetent users ig
Does anyone really not know if they have an apple or windows device...?
I'm sure my grandma does not give a shit
I do Linux research for a living and I barely give a shit.
I got my grandma a chromebox for easy updates and minimal tech support. I get a call from her probably once a month when a random tab she got to through Facebook puts her browser in full screen and says she has a windows virus. Sometimes she calls them but is smart enough to not give a credit card. Every time she calls me all scared and asks "I don't have Microsoft right?" lol
Not sure grandma would be visiting this site
Sometimes they can afford to not know because they have a relative who can manage the device for them. In which case they really wouldn't be installing software on their own really.
You would be surprised at how many people cannot even change the volume on their tablet.
You would be surprised at how many people cannot even change the volume on their tablet.
If that number is more than 0 then I would be very surprised. There are buttons on the side for volume and volume buttons have been standard on devices since at least the early 80's.
This reminds me of that time where my mum entered the fastboot menu on her phone by mistake. She panicked and I just told her to restart, making sure she holds only the power button this time. It also reminds me of the first time I got into my first smart device (my Tablet's) bootloader by mistake. I was 10, my parents had just bought me the tablet like a week ago and I was at my grandma's so I understandably panicked a lot. But of course, no damage was done.
My aunt in her late 70s probably is only distantly aware. I wouldn't be surprised if she turned her tablet around to check.
Yes. I have helped people install software over discord and they don't know what a OS is.
Some people are very braindead you know
I don't know, it sounds a bit Linux circle-jerky to me but then again a lot of people are indeed very clueless, true!
I wouldn't say braindead. They just don't care (because all they need a computer for is to read emails and use a text processor) or haven't had the time to learn yet (every known fact must be learned for a first time at some point in your life, which means there is a time in your life where you don't have that knowledge yet (ie. the time before you acquired that knowledge)).
You’d be very surprised
Not if you are on Android phone.
I think you mean a "Samsung". Because like 50% of people using Android have no idea that they are.
Penguin fellas only download software from package managers and official repos tho
Unless it's not in a package manager, and you're assuming those links don't point to official repos
downloading software from the browser? Are we windows users?
that's what AUR is for.
i use arch btw (not really I use EndeavorOs which is basically Arch with a gui installer)
hey i gotten a few direct from developers websites.
Lol
If the client is blocking OS fingerprinting by returning generic navigator.appVersion
and userAgent
values you should probably just assume Linux in the first place.
that one NetBSD user bursts into flames
Shouldn't that be a FreeBSD user?
You mean, there are still websites that don't auto-detect what OS you're running and make you actually choose?
I actually hate it when a website does that, especially when it doesn't let you download the application you want because your OS is not compatible. For example you wanna download some windows software to run it with Wine/Proton and the website detects you are running linux and does not let you download. I always need to spoof my User-Agent string to get access.
The correct solution (as with languages on websites) is to auto-detect but then make it super easy and obvious how to change if the auto detected version is not what the user wants.
Also if any web developers out there are reading - don't use the user's location to determine the language/region they want, and especially don't force it. I have no idea why so many websites do this but those responsible deserve to permanently have small amounts of sand in all their socks.
The kind of website that distributes linux stuff is going to know most linux distros ship with Firefox set up to not report OS
Does librewolf do that too? I didn't realize that was a feature of firefox
Penguin People
Penguin People
I’ll have you know I’m and Arch Oligarch tyvm.
Penguin people for sure know theirs
And they'll tell you about it every time.
I use NixOS, btw.
Man of culture
I use Arch.
Insert GNU/ LINUX Copypasta here. To feed the meme: I use Pop!_OS btw
As if apple users had no fuckin clue
My mom is tech illiterate and I buy all her devices for her. If I gave her a Mac she'll just use it without knowing what OS it is.
Worked in a repair shop long enough to know that a whole lot of mac users just know they bought a "better computer" without any idea of what an operating system is, someone showed them that the photo they took on their phone magically appeared on their computer and that was all the info they needed to pay 2 grand for it
weeeeelllllllll .......
(jk)
Oh, look! I have a weird windowzzzz with a weird dock! Is it windows 12!? /s
On the other hand if you have a device you don't know what OS is on there it is likely some kind of Penguin (TV, SmartFridge, Hearing system display)
Direct link for the lazy: https://srgrafo.com/series/Chloevely
For the confused: it seems to be a Visual Novel (possibly nsfw?) by the person who makes the comics with this character you’ve probably seen
And before he blew up with these comics, he made a fantastic series of RimWorld comics, which I highly recommend!
Doesn't he draw mostly naked characters in this series that look like they're goddamn 12 year olds? That might relate more to related materials than the visual novel itself, but still.
Oh it’s the Reddit guy
Yeah, the one who draws an imaginary teen girlfriend and unfunny cringe comics
If you don't know what OS you're using, how likely are you to know or understand what this app is?
I use Linux and I have no idea what this program is for. Something about a comic book series?
There are some tech illiterate people, who use Linux without knowing it, because their child set it up for them.
80% of people using Android.
You're being generous.
98%
Or their sibling (e.g. my sister).
I wish SrGrafo was on Lemmy.
I don’t
Same. He's got some suspiciously weird posts and a lot of his comics are kind of low-brow.
i never found a lemmy server that didnt have performance issues. so i wont be on lemmy either , spins when i try to create an acoount.
Where you at then, kbin?
I don't know if they fixed the bug, but it only spun for me when the username I entered was already taken.
Me too, then I could block him now instead of having to wait
Arch btw ;)
I'm in this picture :)
Self actualization has to start somewhere.
Kid named Chromebook
cries in un-Linux-able chromebook (I can only do smth like crouton on it)
un-Linux-able
Damn, that should be fucking illegal
I literally bought the wrong version of a game called Heretic on Amazon in the early 2000s because it "had a cool penguin on it" lmao
So not the fantasy shooter based on the Doom engine? :(
Oh it was we just had to return it and buy the right one haha the shareware copy held me over for a bit longer
Ah good ol Grafo. Chloevely was short but good.