Led by RFK Jr., Conservatives Embrace Raw Milk. Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.

Been only buying organic milk for 10+ years now out of preference, it stays fresh for much longer than normal milk. This is because USDA Organic milk is ultra-pasteurized in almost the same way as shelf-stable milk.

I searched and found this article and they reported that there's virtually no difference in nutrients between the options:

https://www.100daysofrealfood.com/is-ultra-pasteurized-milk-bad/

So if all the nutrients are the same, the only difference in less pasteurization is more bacteria. Fuck that!

Legal in the UK, fucking read a book.

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Avian flu and other viruses can potentially spread from cows to humans, where it's more likely to mutate and spread. It's never the risk-accepters that suffer most. It's always the sick, the poor, the very young and the very old, and the healthcare workers who suffer. The people who refused to get vaccines or take even basic precautions with COVID killed a lot of people, while the vast majority of those assholes survived.

And when more parents start giving their kids raw milk, what then?

Forcing kids to eat dangerous food is child abuse.

Science-denying anti-intellectualism mixed with "you can't tell me what to do!"

They're like toddlers. You tell them they shouldn't and they will do everything in their power to do it anyways. They don't believe in science so everything is a "radical far left jewish space laser" conspiracy to take away their freedumbs.

As far as I can tell: It's partially the same shit as the anti vaccine mixed with being angry about government regulations.

A lot of the anecdotes I've heard about raw.milk being safe, are from small farms with few dairy cows.

In addition to what everyone else has said, I think it's also from ideas of "return to tradition" and a veneration of a kind of rural lifestyle that largely doesn't exist anymore. My extended family are farmers and even they got out of livestock when I was really young because there's not enough profit except at obscene scale. But milk fresh from the cow was a thing I grew up hearing about from cousins, it was apparently viewed as safe enough for the older kids as long as you cleaned the teat and it was really really fresh. But I wouldn't be surprised if the conditions in factory farms added another layer of risk that just wasn't there in the 90s on the last remaining family farms.

It's the hip new way to feel rebellious and tell the government "you can't tell me what to do" while the government fucks them over and steals their future for a quick pay day.

It's a carefully orchestrated distraction.

It's anti vax and anti regulation so basically a maga wet dream. Squeeze cow, milk, ta da. In reality to the other 3/4 of humanity it's a microbial breeding ground for unfiltered mutations and diseases because you're just trusting the entire food chain leading up to the cow has been healthy and unmutated.

Pasteurized milk goes through a process where you filter out unwanted microbes or unsafe mutations before bottling the milk. It's like boiling water before drinking vs drinking from a puddle.

My mother's been on the "natural health" train for a while now and claims that pasteurizing milk removes most of the nutrients (verifiably false). No amount of my protesting or pointing her towards sources for the contrary have convinced her to stop consuming that garbage.

The only half reasonable argument I've seen is that requiring pasteurisation (supposedly) makes it difficult for small dairy farms that want to sell direct to consumer, and forces them to sell to large milk companies for a far lower price. I have no idea how valid that argument is.

If no one else has mentioned it, there are also those idiotic fascists (but I repeat myself) that were/are big on guzzling milk to show how "superior" they are because lactose intolerance is fairly common, but even more common among non-whites.

Extra Nazi points if it's raw milk, maybe?

Brawndo hasn’t been invented yet.

The conscription of the granola moms.

I think it's just that it's a regulation, and regulation bad. I don't want the gunment telling me I can't drink raw milk. No, fools, the government doesn't want people selling raw milk.

A lot of the US understands capitalism as purchasing choices at the store. Therefore if I can buy more stuff at the store I'm more free. Regulation bad.

This is handy for actual capitalist that want to abuse their workers and their customers by selling poison or watered down milk with plaster of Paris for color and liquified calf brains for texture miles from cows that are fed sawdust and literally dying. 👈 Why we regular milk now because this is all literally what was occuring.

Regression. World is scary. Milk brought safety during infancy and the limbic system remembers.

I think it's one of the easiest ways they can "stick it to the man".

Kids shouldn't die because their parents are idiots.

Pathogens don't care whether or not you spread them to other people who don't drink raw milk, I'm afraid.

I think that's their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it's a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don't understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven't seen this stuff for what it is. Also there's no counter to this strategy. It's like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers

The flu in general is great at swapping proteins with other strains many of which are extant in the population right now. Every human bird flu infection of which there are presently few is a chance for highly pathogenic bird flu to make a version that is more transmissible which might yet retain its present greater than covid lethality. If this happens millions could die among them the most vulnerable including the old and those with auto immune disorders. Most of these folks who would die don't themselves drink raw milk for obvious reasons.

Because they won't exist.

Except they're also giving it to their kids, who are far more susceptible to the diseases

Isn't it contagious

That's not how diseases work.

it's because the government wants to fuck of us over duuude !! everything they say we should do opposite!! the government is a giant monolith and every human that works for them magically agrees to the same ideologies which force us to drink raw milk!! because they agreed pasteurized milk is good therefore it is bad !!

that's really all they think

Because they know what milk is supposed to taste like. You clearly don't.

help.... police.... murder

You haven't heard? AI is going to automatically deny all those claims, problem solved.

Maybe if this takes off raw milk will show up on health questionnaires or be in the fine print as a pre existing condition

Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they'll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don't matter, number go up.

They don’t pay out the bills lol. I imagine they’ll work on dismantling the ACA/“Obamacare.” Insurance will cover nothing.

they can just outright deny them im guessing, the consumer bought it, knowingly.

Fascists always turn on each other.

Controversial, but the kids have to die for the idiot adults to learn their lesson.

It's a tragedy because they have little to no agency. But these morons, like those who refuse vaccines, need to watch their kids suffer and die to feel the consequences for themselves to understand why safety regulations are written in blood.

I guess there's 1 upside to the potential loss of school lunches?

Cows are getting avian influenza. Farm workers are getting it from the chickens and cows. There is concern that people may eventually catch bird flu from raw milk. The more people get infected, the greater the odds that a mutation will develop that allows human to human transmission. Unfortunately, we may, yet again, have all of our lives and livelihoods threatened by people too ignorant to take even the most basic precautions for self preservation.

Cheese made from unpasteurized milk can be safe

From what I know of the US food industry, I still wouldn't chance it over there.

If you want to make Kefir at home you need raw milk. Obviously US goes into Soviet times so they will need it. This and potatoes in every home garden.

lifelong disability and functional dependency.

Poor family from medical bills, more easily manipulated into voting GOP. 3 votes secured!

Oat milk is great imo. Planet Oat extra creamy is the best available where I'm at.

Switch to almond

Bobby Singer spitting wisdom.

RIP Bobby.

Not for long.

They will catch viruses that will kill the rest of us. Protecting the population against communicable diseases requires altruism and cooperation, of which conservatives seem incapable.

I understand where you're coming from, but then they just become a vector for nasties (e.g. avian flu when it finally overcomes the human-to-human transmission barrier, and you can be sure they won't take adequate precautions to avoid spreading it) as well as risking the health of their children.

The second best outcome is suicide by stupidity.

The best is they stop being stupid.

Not trying to be rude, it just genuinely went over my head, what does being an artist have to do with it?

You've already had your last election.

Good analogy, actually, since masks both reduce the risk to the wearer and reduce the risk of the wearer spreading whatever they're carrying to those around them.

Unfortunately raw milk can be a vector for avian flu and if (when) it achieves human-to-human transmission, these people will be vectors.

You can't tell the difference, and that's part of the problem. One has been cooked slightly to kill pathogens and the other could contain deadly pathogens.