Modlog: Will not tolerate blind alignment with Luigi Mangione
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Removed Comment Did nothing wrong by sunzu2 reason: Rule against wrongful advocacy
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Banned sunzu2 from the community Ask Lemmy reason: Will not tolerate blind alignment with Luigi Mangione expires: in 3 days
Alright good folk, what's your take here.
Won't tolerate blind alignment with Luigi? Yikes that's a lot of work, they're going to have to ban like 1/3 of the entire fediverse.
I know right? It's utter madness. And they already tried and failed to clamp down the support for Luigi on LW before this. It's got, "this is gonna backfire" written all over it.
I wish I had your optimism. Personally, I feel like the world tends to try to clamp down pretty good on violent activism, and often for understandable reasons. I had hoped this time was different, that this time it was a uniting sentiment despite our many other divides in America. Instead, I often heard my conservative colleagues ironically admonish political violence over the past month.
We can't seem to agree on a single thing, not even to despise the people killing our friends and family, and robbing us blind.
Is it blind alignment with Luigi to say that he's innocent until proven guilty, a right afforded to him by the Fifth Amendment?
That his guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt?
That the case against him is circumstantial at best?
I'll agree with you on points 1 and 2, but as for the case being circumstantial... That honestly depends on the veracity of the confession that was found on him. Meaning to say, unless the evidence was planted, which is possible, it's trivial to determine that the act happened.
Personally, I just think it's justified. Brian Thompson was a murderer that would never face consequences, because for some reason, if you murder and torture people by policy and pen, it's totally legal. That ain't right, and if we can't reform the system to bring these murderers to justice... Well... You're gonna have some vigilantes, and they will be justified in their actions, and they will be celebrated by their peers.
Free Luigi, and point him in the direction of Anthem's CEO.
PTB all the way matey. Who gets to define which advocacy is "wrongful"? Are they going to start banning people for advocating for the oil and gas industry as well? That's arguably much more "wrongful".
Also, there's no mention of "wrongful advocacy" in either the community sidebar or the LW TOS afaik, so presumably it's just a made up rule.
What does PTB mean?
Alright good folk, what’s your take here.
PTB
The funny thing about this is, when the .world mods were being insanely prohibitive of any speech involving Luigi, and censoring discussion if the event when it happened, the excuse they used was since the server is in a European country, it's illegal to foster speech that "promotes violence."
I changed my server then, as did many others, after witnessing the censorship, but it's fun to see now the mask-off answer of just not liking Luigi.
They’ve effectively silenced me. I can’t keep track of where I can say pro-Luigi things.
Luigi Mangione is a champion of the people.
Block the communities that remove your pro-Luigi comments. No need to keep track of them; their mods are garbage, and you don't want to be associated with them.
I had similar issues with my pro-Palestinian views, and dislike towards USA centered liberalism; so I just left and blocked many of their default communities
Just keep going on about it, and see how many bans you can pick up.
Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong.
PTB. Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong
PTB. other considerations aside, like 2/3rds of the internet has a politics crush on Luigi. at some point mods gotta just accept that Luigi jokes are gonna be everywhere, like 9/11 jokes. and honestly overall, censorship of jokes makes them more funny and therefore more long lasting. barbara streisand type beat.
Ugh, this kind of "moderation" is almost making me want to take my instance and set up communities that are structured with different rules and guidelines that would mostly allow it, because frankly, fuck censorship of anything that's not hate or illegal speech.
Then I realize that'd be a job I'm not being paid for and I don't.
Sigh.
They're probably competitive StarCraft players. Moderation as actions per minute and so on
because frankly, fuck censorship of anything that’s not hate or illegal speech
Amen, brother!
Someone likes the taste of corporate boot?
Reddit or Lemmy, mods gotta be bunch of cringy fuckwits.
PTB
My take is I’m glad you already aren’t on their instance because they gotta go :)
Broadly, .world is fairly obviously mirroring the sycophantic policies of X/Meta/Reddit.
The only real question I have is whether it's primarily rooted in ambition or fear - whether the admin are actively trying to be admitted to the ranks of Trump-approved™ social media, or if they're just afraid that if they don't kowtow, they're going to get TikToked.
That's because they are wanting to federate with Meta
Ah... yes.
It became obvious to me that something was up with the announcement a while back that said, once you sifted through all the diversionary puffery and bullshit, that .world was going to follow Vichy Twitter's and Meta's lead and allow hate speech and misinformation.
But I assumed they were doing that for the same reason Meta is - to suck up to Big Baby Fascist. I hadn't considered that they were doing it to suck up to Meta.
Now it all makes sense.
Fucking hosers.
You're right, they're PTB.
Fucking hosers.
There's a word I haven't heard in a long time!
Coo, loo, coo, coo, coo, coo, coo, coo!
AskLemmy mod team would appear to be PTB
I just got banned for this as well. lol I only got banned after calling out their mods bad source too.
No, you got banned for the same reason everyone else did, and provenly so as can be seen.
I think that might be libel. I doubt that there is anything "blind" about your alignment with Luigi Mangione.
The target mod of the ptb accusation has provided their reasoning here: https://lemm.ee/comment/17765107
Needs clarification.
Maybe they just don't want people to promote murder as a form of political action, although the log is not clear.
That would be a pretty common position, probably aligned with the rules of most communities on Lemmy and can be completely unrelated to protecting corporations, the system or whatever other people are jumping to.
Health care executives sentence millions to death because saving their lives isn't profitable. If you kill someone attempting to take your life, that's self-defence.
I am on board with promoting self-defence as a form of political action.
In my country, physical self-defense is relevant to the moment of the aggression and is required to be proportional (which is complicated, I concede). If you later go look for the aggressor to exercise your right to "self-defense", that's vengeance and personal justice, not self-defense anymore. This is usually forbidden in democratic countries because it could have a lot of negative effects of society.
Overall, unless the laws and logic are very different in the USA, I don't think this could be considered self-defense. This is also not going to stop the abuse by insurance companies since thousands of people can replace this guy, so it's more about sending a message, isn't it. What do we usually call the method of killing people to send a political message?
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Banned account: https://endlesstalk.org/u/nogensiderthrowaway
wrongful advocacy
After some misunderstandings were cleared up, I was asked by our friendly neighborhood Blaze to clarify what happened three days ago, which I did in the form of an outsourced message. And then I was asked to put this here by @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com based on the understanding the outcome will be as they said it will be.
There are other important parts, but we can treat them as looping back around to this. What may be everyone's ruling?
I cannot distinguish your post so I stickies mine with a link to it https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/16235632
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.world mods are still frantically pissing into the wind, I see.
I lost all faith in .world after they banned piracy communities; unbanned them after user unrest; and when the hype died down, silently rebanned them all.
This statement kind of confirms that the hate towards things like the mod mentioned by the OP is hated based on populism, not common sense.
Start a new Ask Lemmy on a different instance and announce it. I’ll subscribe.
World seems to be presenting itself as Reddit 2.0, and has been for a very long time. It's also where a lot of the default subreddits came, which meant the same mod team and probably a few power users.
Which is not inherently bad, but I'd like the Reddit culture to stay on Reddit as much as possible.