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Meta’s Moderation Modifications Mean Anti-LGBTQ Speech Is Welcome, While Pro-LGBTQ Speech Is Not

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  • LGBTQ+ Everyone, but LGBTQ+ people especially need to get the the fuck off of Meta services now, they've showed what side they're on.

    • Straight+cis people too. I'm downloading an export of my Facebook info as we speak in preparation for closing it down.

    • That sounds like encouraging queer folk to flee public spaces which sounds like a favourable outcome to the conservatives. Is giving ground the best idea really?

      • I don't know how to stress this any more clearly: A privately owned social media site isn't actually a public space. It's literally the definition of a private space. It's more akin to a mall than a library. That's the whole issue, how does it help to be on a site where all the admins have to do is shut down your speech and ban you anyway? Where everything you do, every move you make is tracked and monetized and studied to be used against you? It's by definition a surveillance state where you have no rights.

        You realize they make money from ads and if the majority of people stop using their services they stop making enough money to function as a business? They may already have your data but you don't need to be giving them more.

        The bigger issue is that corporations have commodified public spaces. You can take back public spaces by choosing to not use their services and convincing others not to. Facebook is already dying which is why they rolled out bullshit AI profiles and the public response to that went really badly. But they live and die by engagement so if they already are needing to turn to faking engagement to keep people on and money rolling in, then isn't a boycott literally the way to cut them off at the knees and stop them being a public space?

        Forgive me if I didn't make clear that everyone needs to do it, not just LGBTQ+, my point is there are very few reasons to keep using these services for any person with a conscience.

  • I remember there were plenty of little removed saying that censorship won't be turned the other way and that it allows to remove bad people from the Internet. That bad people should be censored, and Reddit\Twitter\Facebook when used for politics will not be abused by bot armies, and that censorship will not be repurposed very easily.

    I was being accused of being a right-wing troll, a luddite, a removed, an incel and what not for saying that they were wrong on every point.

    Yes, even bad people should not be censored. When they misbehave, they should be barred from the place they harmed, ideally not forever, but for a week or so maximum.

    I've learned this not just in morals, but in practice, when repeatedly banned on one forum by an admin of directly opposite political views ... for 24 hours max each time after multiple warnings, and only once a week or a month (can't remember) much later when I joked about exploding Muslims. Despite that, I was (I hope) a good enough member of that forum for like 10 years after, till now. Apes waving banhammers today have something to learn from that.

    But that's not the point, the point is that even if you consider centralized censorship good, that's how it works.

    So getting back to little removed loving censorship - where are they now and do they have anything to say?

    • Yes, even bad people should not be censored. When they misbehave, they should be barred from the place they harmed, ideally not forever, but for a week or so maximum.

      "Won't somebody please think of the spam bots?"

      The problem is that this childish 'murican view of free speech and censorship has poisoned the entire discussion, because it assumes every speech is equal. It's not. To think a group of idiots screaming on megaphones with the sole intent of causing a ruckus is the same thing as a 1 on 1 conversation is stupid. To equate a snake oil salesman with someone trying to sell a table is also stupid. Not all speech is done in good faith.

      Censorship happens at any group, because it's all about maintaining social cohesion. Remember when trump was first elected and several family ties and friendships effectively ended? That was RL censorship, because trying to mend the social cohesion wasn't worth it. Why would you be close to someone who makes your life terrible?

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