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People Want To Use Things But Not Own The Consequences Of Its Use.

[Edit 2: I think anyone commenting should identify how much they use Facebook in their comment lol]

On the list of people I describe in the subject, I place myself first. If you're here to defend yourself by showing me your receipts, congratulations, you win, I just saved us who knows how much time. I'm typing this out in an attempt to describe phenomena, not persuade you of anything in particular, other than, this is a thing I see happening a lot; too much would be my take.

I'm just gonna grab [a] most egregious example, but I would like to talk about this, not as a horrific fail, but as an exemplar; at the moment I believe that most people categorize it as the former.

[edit: there really is no "most" egregious example, and I just thought of a much worse one, and unlike Facebook I am fully guilty of this one: I own and drive a car, a lot, and boy am I ignoring some real world consequences there.]

That example being, Facebook Acted As The Main Propaganda Outlet For A Genocide Of The Rohingya In Myanmar, and therefore, Anyone Who Uses Facebook Is Using A Tool That Has Bloodstains On It And Are Somehow Not Horrified.

To more easily conceptualize this, it's much the same as me needing a shovel, and having a neighbour that I happen to know murdered someone with their shovel, but has not been arrested for it, and right when I need the shovel, they walk over with their bloodstained shovel and offer to let me use it for my non-murder task. And I just go "Wow how convenient that you happened to be here with that bright-red shovel just now, I think I'll use this one one of yours with the little spatters of brain on it, instead of walking over to my shed and getting my own shovel out!"

We are talking about murder here, Facebook was used to foment mass murder and in a world that made sense, Zuckerberg would be handed over to the ICC years ago, along with Henry Kissinger and a number of others who instead hang out at the Nobel Peace Prize club where Barack makes a mean Mai Tai.

The problems that people use Facebook to constructively solve is connections to family and close friends, event and interest group organizing, the marketplace, and for the avid user it constitutes a daily journal.

These problems could each be solved using something else that is also just as gratis. It might be a small amount of effort more, but then you maybe don't ever have to touch the remains of a human life that once existed and now does not, due to this particular device being used to end that life.

But it seems that it's more convenient, easy, zero effort, to simply ignore the gore.

That's what I see on the internet. I don't think anyone has ever accepted a bloodstained shovel and set to digging a ditch with it who didn't also feel that their life was next if they didn't, but as long as there's no visible bloodstains, as long as it's just a few articles and podcasts from known radical leftists, eh, look at little Jimmy's recital, isn't he cute?

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  • That example being, Facebook Acted As The Main Propaganda Outlet For A Genocide Of The Rohingya In Myanmar, and therefore, Anyone Who Uses Facebook Is Using A Tool That Has Bloodstains On It And Are Somehow Not Horrified

    I think you're being naiive if you look around the world and see a bunch of tools without blood stains. Newspapers have caused immense harm, books have caused immense harm, road networks kill thousands and thousands of people every single year, our meat based diets kill millions of animals and we love watching big movie star beef cakes who got big eating those animals. Hell do you have a job, do you work and participate in capitalism? Congratulations you're participating in a system of artificial scarcity that kills millions a year.

    We all use blood stained tools on a literal daily basis, it is not a new or surprising phenomena it is a necessary part of how we survive our day to day lives.

    And quite frankly Behind the Bastards is a podcast that knowingly Streisand effects people like Andrew Tate and Ben Shapiro when they need to crank out low effort content for Clear Channel Communications, even "radical leftists" as you refer to them aren't blood free.

    The problems that people use Facebook to constructively solve is connections to family and close friends, event and interest group organizing, the marketplace, and for the avid user it constitutes a daily journal.

    These problems could each be solved using something else that is also just as gratis. It might be a small amount of effort more, but then you maybe don't ever have to touch the remains of a human life that once existed and now does not, due to this particular device being used to end that life.

    Also, this is flat out wrong. No, you cannot solve each of those problems using something else (except for journaling). Each one of those problems relies on Facebook's social network and the network effects of everyone using them for them to be valuable (in addition to Facebook's real name policy that, like it or not, is quite difficult and expensive for most internet services to implement and provides an immense amount of value to something like Marketplace over Kijiji).

  • To be fair, what you’re asking is for normal people to step outside the media they normally consume and seek other (sometimes untrusted) media to come to these conclusions. Some would say, “If this really happened, why isn’t the media reporting on it?” I know why, you know why, but the regular person out there thinks it must be an extreme view if their preferred media outlets are not reporting on it.

  • There are a lot of problems in the world. Personally I can focus on a few at a time and I can make changes and try and help these problems. Not everyone has the luxury to make the required changes or put the mental effort into these issues. Even if they did there is still to many issues.

    I care about freedom respecting software and reducing the amount of rubbish I create. That's it, I know there are other problems in the world but I cannot do anything because I'll be stretched to thin.

    Most people don't care about privacy and a lot of them actually think of ads and targeted ads as a positive thing( I believe this also to be true). The problem is hard because to target ads you need to build a profile on people.

    In my opinion the government needs to step in and clearly define what data you can collect and how it must be stored. I would like to see the government say you can store age, gender, race, and location down to the suburb but you cannot store name, exact location, phone number, email and ip address along with the previous information.

  • Facbook use : no account never used it.

    This brings up the limits of accountability. The average person cant control what Facebook does and who the promote. But they all contribute to Facebook's large size and financial success.

    Edit as a follow up. Take the atomic bomb. Many people help make it, not just scientists like Oppenheimer, Steel workers that made the out casing for bomb played a part in making nukes. But no one ever holds them accountable, because we shouldn't. At some point your actions are to remote to be accountable

  • Oh look! A living, breathing wokescold, complete with the public hypocrisy! I don't know why I'm bothering pointing at it because they're common like dirt, but here we are.

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